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Dear Brothers and Sisters,

This is one of my favorite Feasts of Our Lady and also one of my favorite icons. :) For a brief history of the approved apparitions of Our Lady to St. Juan Diego, please see: http://www.queenoftheamericasguild.org/BriefHistoryNew.html

There are many reasons why this particular apparition is so important to me, but chiefly it is because of her words:
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...Am I not here who am your Mother? Are you not under my shadow and protection? Are you not in the crossing of my arms?

The message of Our Lady for me is all about the tenderness of her maternal love for each one of her children. How very touching is that expression of hers: "Are you not in the crossing of my arms?"

It is no wonder that Our Lady of Guadalupe has been chosen as the particular Patroness of the unborn and also as The Star of the New Evangelization. As a Mother, she longs to guard and guide our lives into Eternity!

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Agree! Not far from me is Des Plaines where they have a great Our Lady of Guadalupe shrine. They are prepping up for potentially 100,000 visitors. On Sunday they had a procession of decorated big rigs (Semis) that drove past honking. I think it is great!

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20121211/news/712119938/

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Idol worship like that which existed in mexico is present in India too though their may not be human sacrifice
I too like the feast

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For those who can't see Guadalupe, or Des Plaines IL shrine here is a tube:

[url]http://desplaines.patch.com/articles/des-plaines-on-FIXtube-shrine-of-our-lady-of-guadalupe#FIXtube_video-12500718[/url]

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Idol worship like that which existed in mexico is present in India too though their may not be human sacrifice
I too like the feast

Excuse me! Who said anything about Idol worship? I am sure I mis-understand your comment here?

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Agree! Not far from me is Des Plaines where they have a great Our Lady of Guadalupe shrine. They are prepping up for potentially 100,000 visitors. On Sunday they had a procession of decorated big rigs (Semis) that drove past honking. I think it is great!

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20121211/news/712119938/

Dear Bob,

Thanks for the link. Interesting and inspiring to see how deeply devoted many are to Our Lady under this particular title. I really believe it has to do with Mary's Universal Motherhood which rings out from her words:
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...Am I not here who am your Mother? Are you not under my shadow and protection? Are you not in the crossing of my arms?

May we remain with Mary, "in the crossing of her arms" as she remains in His Love!

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fsimon wrote:
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Idol worship like that which existed in mexico is present in India too though their may not be human sacrifice
I too like the feast

Dear simon,

Perhaps you are referring to the fact that at the time of Mary's apparition to St. Juan Diego there was "human sacrifice" being offered to appease a false sense of God and in that case they were participating in a form of idol worship. Carl Anderson, an American who is presently leading the Knights of Columbus, gave an Address at a recent Conference on "Ecclesia in America" and referred to the apparitions in Mexico thus:
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...The heart of the Mesoamerican culture at the time of the apparitions included an expectation of war and a distorted need for sacrifice. Aztec culture constantly referred back to desolation: “War and Death set the tone for every lecture and ceremony that would accompany the Indigenous all his life.” To be literal, their perception of reality, articulated through their religion, made war, death and sacrifice conditions for human flourishing. In this worldview the freedom to live was enabled only by war and death. The expectation of war and the necessity of death for some was the daily prerequisite for the human flourishing of Aztec culture.

Perhaps in India, there is also a "distorted need for sacrifice" and many in your country are worshiping idols. Mr. Anderson draws some real parallels to modern culture worldwide in his address. Mr. Anderson continued in his Address thus:
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...today—despite having abandoned the assumptions of Aztec religion long ago—contemporary culture remains influenced by similar distortions regarding the prerequisites of human flourishing. Do we not encounter in society and in certain public policies an unspoken assumption that certain deaths are conditions for human flourishing?

Do we not see in our contemporary culture, a culture which in the words of Evangelium Vitae, “it is possible to speak in a certain sense of a war of the powerful against the weak?” Do we not also see with Blessed John Paul II “a structure of sin” in a culture that concludes that “a life which would require greater acceptance, love and care is considered useless, or held to be an intolerable burden, and is therefore rejected in one way or another. And that finds that “A person who, because of illness, handicap or more simply, just by existing, compromises the well-being or life-style of those who are more favored tends to be looked upon as an enemy to be resisted or eliminated.”

This is the very definition of a culture of death and Blessed John Paul II did not hesitate to tell us so.

Let us pray to Our Lady of Guadalupe, Star of the New Evangelization, to guide us all.

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distorted need for sacrifice"

That is spot on- seeing humans prostrating themselves before idols makes me sick-there are things like devidasis,blood sacrifices using chickens,body piercing,offering human blood.
Being enslaved to idols is part of the mystery of evil
In some houses Our Ladys portrait is alongside an idol.To me this suggests that freedom from idols comes thro Mary

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fsimon wrote:
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distorted need for sacrifice"

That is spot on- seeing humans prostrating themselves before idols makes me sick-there are things like devidasis,blood sacrifices using chickens,body piercing,offering human blood.
Being enslaved to idols is part of the mystery of evil
In some houses Our Ladys portrait is alongside an idol.To me this suggests that freedom from idols comes thro Mary

Dear simon,

Yes, Our Lady is our Mother and Model, and as "Star of the New Evangelization" she is empowered by God to guide us away from any idol that keeps us from her Son, Who is the only Way, Truth and Life for all who would be truly free from evil. Thanks for your reply.

An excellent Address on Our Lady of Guadalupe and modern man was given by Carl Anderson, recently. For the full article see:[/url]http://www.zenit.org/article-36153?l=english[/url]

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On Dec. 12, 1531, "the last day of the apparitions of Our Lady of Guadalupe, when St. Juan Diego took a different path in order to find a priest for his dying uncle, Our Lady met him on his detour and posed these questions: 'My youngest son, what is going on? Where are you going? Where are you headed?'"

"Today, during this Congress, we ask the very same questions: What is going on? Where are we going? Where are we headed?"

The supreme knight of the Knights of Columbus went on to say that just as it was during the 16th century in Mexico, today there is a clash of civilizations that has increased over time due to globalization.

Full article can be read at: http://www.zenit.org/article-36153?l=english

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