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Dear Brothers and Sisters,

A friend sent this to me and I hope it blesses you all:
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THE VALUE OF THE ROSARY

Father Gabriel Amorth, Chief Exorcist of the Vatican writes:
One day a colleague of mine heard the devil say during an exorcism: “Every Hail Mary is like a blow to my head. If Christians knew how powerful the Rosary was, it would be my end.”
The secret that makes this prayer so effective is that the Rosary is both prayer and meditation. It is addressed to the Father, to the Blessed Virgin, and to the Holy Trinity, and is a meditation centered on Christ. I write in addition to the above:
Please enunciate each word of the Rosary clearly and distinctly. Do not trample on the heels of the words of anyone with your words. Do not speak over the leader if you are following or the respondent if you are leading the Rosary. Remember that they also are having a conversation with Mary Our Mother and it is not polite to speak when someone else is speaking. In the case of the public Rosary there are only two people speaking: the Leader and the respondents. Each is speaking to the Blessed Mother and listening carefully to her response within their hearts as they meditate on the scene before them in their consideration of the mystery being spoken of and interpreted and translated into their lives. Spread this powerful prayer of exorcism, the Rosary, which contains the Our Father , the Perfect Prayer, prayed five times in the recitation of each set of the Rosary’s Mysteries, backed up by the powerful prayers of Our Mother who prays with us as we pray 53 Hail Mary’s.
The Eternal Father described to a group of us, through a Visionary Friend of mine, what happens when we pray the Rosary, saying, “When you pray Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners now…., the Blessed Mother comes instantly to your side to pray with you. And she does not come alone. She brings angels with her. And not just one or two for she is the Queen of Angels, so choirs of angels come with her. And she and Jesus are joined at the Heart and cannot be separated so she brings Jesus with her. And Jesus cannot be separated from the Trinity so He brings the Father and the Holy Spirit with Him. And where the Holy Trinity is, all of creation is, and you are surrounded by such beauty and light as you cannot imagine in this life. Your Mother comes as Our Lady of Grace with her hands outstretched. Rays of light emit from her hands piercing your body, healing you and filling you with graces. This is your inheritance which was poured out from the heart of Jesus on the Cross, when the Centurion pierced His Heart with the spear, into the only pure vessel ready to receive such graces at that time, Your Mother. Now as you pray the Rosary, or even just recite one Hail Mary, you receive your portion of these graces. He also said at this time, “Anyone who goes to Mary and prays the Rosary cannot be touched by Satan.” Is it any wonder that anyone who prays the Rosary from the heart is so blessed and protected and powerful in their prayers for others?

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One day a colleague of mine heard the devil say during an exorcism

To give the Devil his due
How powerful is he?
Much more than humans
Is satan more powerful than the saints?

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One day a colleague of mine heard the devil say during an exorcism[\unquote]
To give the Devil his due
How powerful is he?
Much more than humans
Is satan more powerful than the saints?

Dear simon,

I would say that anyone who relies only on his own human power without Christ is less powerful that satan because satan is an evil angelic spirit, but Christ is more powerful than satan, and God tells us in His Word:
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1 John 4:4 Little children, you are of God, and have overcome them; for He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world

Satan and those he overcomes in temptation are in the world and of the world, but saints are not of the world. Some saints are today living in this world, yet they are still not "of the world" because they are living in Christ and God is dwelling in them by grace. If we remain in Christ we are able to overcome satan by God's Grace. Saints in heaven, of course have left this world; they are in heaven and eternally in Christ -- satan has no power at all over them. Hope that helps. :)

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Hope that helps

I have to admit being afraid of Evil.For me the worst Evil is that which leads people away from the Church.People in power in the Church who dissent with the teachings of the Church.For example priests who think that marriage for them is ok and that the church is wrong about priestly celibacy.Catholics who don"t partake of the Sacraments,don't give importance to the Word Of God ,those who justify sin,people who come for Mass dressed in shorts ...
It may sound ridiculous-but going for a Litany only to have a hard drink afterwards does in fact drive me away from the Church

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Only God has the right to judge others and know what is in the hearts of all. Do not be afraid of satan or evil. Do not give it glory but respect that without the help of the Holy Spirit we are doomed. Please have faith that the prayers given to us Our Lord's Prayer, and The Hail Mary are powerful protections and exorcisms in themselves. Padre Pio said the Rosary was "The Weapon" against the forces of evil. Those words of Father Amorth are true. We have to be careful in having pride concerning our prayers of protection; be confident but not prideful. It is true that we are no match for the devil without the power of the Triune God brought forth by humble prayer, so be confident and don't be afraid... just keep saying the Rosary.

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Hope that helps

I have to admit being afraid of Evil.For me the worst Evil is that which leads people away from the Church.People in power in the Church who dissent with the teachings of the Church.For example priests who think that marriage for them is ok and that the church is wrong about priestly celibacy.Catholics who don"t partake of the Sacraments,don't give importance to the Word Of God ,those who justify sin,people who come for Mass dressed in shorts ...
It may sound ridiculous-but going for a Litany only to have a hard drink afterwards does in fact drive me away from the Church

Dear simon,

Evil is overcome by good. By God's grace, we grow in His Love such that "perfect love casts out fear". Keep, asking, seeking, and knocking on the door of His Heart, praying the Rosary, praying as well for all those who need our prayers.

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By God's grace, we grow in His Love such that "perfect love casts out fear"

Thanks,there are at least for me ,no instant solutions.
It is a gradual process.
Evil is present -but with God's Grace I am delivered from it.
I have to admit I am not childlike anymore -no longer naive.
I am thankful for those who radiate Gods Grace

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fsimon wrote:
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By God's grace, we grow in His Love such that "perfect love casts out fear"

Thanks,there are at least for me ,no instant solutions.
It is a gradual process.
Evil is present -but with God's Grace I am delivered from it.
I have to admit I am not childlike anymore -no longer naive.
I am thankful for those who radiate Gods Grace

Dear simon,

The "childlike" person, it seems to me is not, nor does God intend us to be - naive. The childlike person is rather the person who has heard Jesus, speaking to his disciples (and to us):
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Mat 18:1 - 4 At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, "Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?" And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them, and said, "Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever humbles himself like this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

A childlike person is humble before God, knowing that without God He can do nothing! We need to learn from Jesus, Who is Meek and Humble of Heart; Advent is a perfect time to ponder the humility of God who became so small for love of us! :)

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Advent is a perfect time to ponder the humility of God who became so small for love of us!

I think the older I get the more cynical I become.
The remedy is doing works of charity

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fsimon wrote:
I think the older I get the more cynical I become.
The remedy is doing works of charity



Simon, like many of us here it seems as if you are definitely on the right track:

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The New Commandment: I give you a new commandment:* love one another. As I have loved you, so you also should love one another. This is how all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.” John 13:33-35



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Boy. I feel like I'm being scolded.

We received the statue of Our Lady today in our home today. It gets passed around for family to pray the Rosary together.

I made the decision today that I wasn't going to say the Rosary because I really don't like saying it. I can't understand why all the repetition. Why so long? My mind wanders and I'm just saying words.

I hope I'm not going to be blasphemous here, but it reminds me of Yoga Classes where you are meant to relax and repeat mantras. I just can't do it. It really drives me crazy.

The only prayer I say is the Lord's Prayer. It was the only prayer I ever loved.

I feel bad.

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Boy. I feel like I'm being scolded.

We received the statue of Our Lady today in our home today. It gets passed around for family to pray the Rosary together.

I made the decision today that I wasn't going to say the Rosary because I really don't like saying it. I can't understand why all the repetition. Why so long? My mind wanders and I'm just saying words.

I hope I'm not going to be blasphemous here, but it reminds me of Yoga Classes where you are meant to relax and repeat mantras. I just can't do it. It really drives me crazy.

The only prayer I say is the Lord's Prayer. It was the only prayer I ever loved.

I feel bad.


Great post! I am sure that there are many who agree with you but don't have the courage to say it as you did. Try following along with a CD of someone else reciting it or listen to a podcast from EWTN, or attend a Rosary group. Your experience doesn't have to remain that way. Try reciting a scriptural rosary. Try anything but do NOT give into the temptation to NOT say it. You are being tempted away from saying the Rosary. Don't fall for it. Persevere.

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Thanks Schultz, but then why am I not being tempted away from the Lord's Prayer?

I could say one Hail Mary and mean it. Wouldn't that be better?

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Thanks Schultz, but then why am I not being tempted away from the Lord's Prayer?

I could say one Hail Mary and mean it. Wouldn't that be better?


Each Hail Mary or other prayer from the Rosary has value and meaning even if said rotely. Together they make up a "battalion" of prayers which is mighty in its power. Saying the various prayers with "meaning" as you put it is difficult. However, we are supposed to meditate on the meaning of each decade, not so much each prayer. The prayer will do its own work. Meditating on the scriptural meaning which accompanies each decade is a sure way of evoking the Holy Spirit.

Besides, no one says you must do it perfectly. The more you say the Rosary the easier it will be to say and the more your soul will desire for you to say it. In reference to not being tempted away from Our Lord's Prayer, the devil knows where you are the weakest and will not relent to find a way through that weakness to reach you and lead you away from what is right. No group of prayers terrorizes demons more than the Rosary. They tremble when you say it. No wonder they don't want you to recite it.

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Advent is a perfect time to ponder the humility of God who became so small for love of us!

I think the older I get the more cynical I become.
The remedy is doing works of charity

May I ask, simon: what or whom are you cynical about? Works of charity, are nothing without love. See I Cor 13. God's Word tells us if we even give our bodies to be burned but have not love, it profits nothing. It seems to me that to be "cynical" is lacking in love towards someone for something...but maybe you can say more about it.

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Alma wrote:
Boy. I feel like I'm being scolded.

We received the statue of Our Lady today in our home today. It gets passed around for family to pray the Rosary together.

I made the decision today that I wasn't going to say the Rosary because I really don't like saying it. I can't understand why all the repetition. Why so long? My mind wanders and I'm just saying words.

I hope I'm not going to be blasphemous here, but it reminds me of Yoga Classes where you are meant to relax and repeat mantras. I just can't do it. It really drives me crazy.

The only prayer I say is the Lord's Prayer. It was the only prayer I ever loved.

I feel bad.

Kathleen,

May I ask : Who or what is scolding you? Why do you feel bad? Is it because you really love Mary and want to say the Rosary or is it because of something else? When we feel bad about something it is good to probe our hearts to see why.

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I hope I'm not going to be blasphemous here, but it reminds me of Yoga Classes where you are meant to relax and repeat mantras. I just can't do it. It really drives me crazy.

Yoga mantras and the Most Holy Rosary are at opposite ends of the spectrum
I have attended yoga classes of Sri Sri ravishankar- The Art Of living Course
Worse still I am just a stone throw from a "yellamma" temple
Please - mantra and tantra are incantations to the Evil One
Of course the sounds may be captivating -but the effect is to be drawn to Evil
May I suggest that you go for confession and renounce the mantras you have said and the Yoga Classes.There is at least one priest Fr Anil Fernandes SVD email afkfsvd@gmail.com who feels it absolutely wrong
I have posted about it in detail on this forum -i think the topic was Art Of Living
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For me a Marian retreat helped with Fr Anil telling us how Mary has many references in the Bible
I dont know if a Scriptural Rosary would be of help to you
It does help me if i feel that I am in a sincere community praying the Rosary
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May I ask, simon: what or whom are you cynical about?

For me the problem is that most catholic in India are converts -some forcible
Forcing anyone does not work
Secondly like Indian muslims many catholic converts had no tradition of the catholic faith
Now Christmas is comming so the emphasis for many will be on the party
Contrast with what you have written -you learn humility
What is the point of learning the bible when all my community seems quite happy boozing,feasting and dancing at Christmas
No tradition of learning even the bible,liturgy leave alone canon law or higher studies

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Works of charity, are nothing without love. See I Cor 13.


India has many poor people -its is a great privilege to share with them.The poor are grateful to me and that is a great blessing.

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Boy. I feel like I'm being scolded.

We received the statue of Our Lady today in our home today. It gets passed around for family to pray the Rosary together.

I made the decision today that I wasn't going to say the Rosary because I really don't like saying it. I can't understand why all the repetition. Why so long? My mind wanders and I'm just saying words.

I hope I'm not going to be blasphemous here, but it reminds me of Yoga Classes where you are meant to relax and repeat mantras. I just can't do it. It really drives me crazy.

The only prayer I say is the Lord's Prayer. It was the only prayer I ever loved.

I feel bad.


Cardinal Arinze has pointed out that, because God is written into every human heart, even pagan rituals have some shadow of truth to them. However, the Catholic version is the truest and best because they come from the Church that God actually founded.

That being the case, there will be some noticeable similarities between Catholic traditions and non-Catholic ones. Yes, the Rosary can have a quality to it that's very calming and relaxing. One of the Saints (St. Therese of Liseaux, I think) wrote that it's like a small child sitting in mother's lap and saying "Mama, Mama" over and over again.

I personally didn't see much value in the Rosary until I came across a devotional that had virtues that we should ask for as we pray the various mysteries. I spent a lot of time pondering how the mysteries and those particular virtues went together. Saying ten Hail Marys as I thought about it turned out to be a good amount of time to spend on each question.

Even so, saying my daily Rosary can feel like being forced to eat my vegetables. I've been trying to develop a habit of saying it while taking a walk. Since I go through a non-Catholic cemetery on my walks, I pass by lots of people whose souls probably need my prayers. But it's entirely too easy to get out of the habit of taking those walks.

On the other hand, the Rosary comes to us through private revelation and as such is not required for all Catholics. If it doesn't speak to you, or doesn't speak to you yet, it's ok. Maybe at some point you will find a reason to love it. I developed a devotion to the Divine Mercy Chaplet first, myself.

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Alma wrote:
Boy. I feel like I'm being scolded.

We received the statue of Our Lady today in our home today. It gets passed around for family to pray the Rosary together.

I made the decision today that I wasn't going to say the Rosary because I really don't like saying it. I can't understand why all the repetition. Why so long? My mind wanders and I'm just saying words.

I hope I'm not going to be blasphemous here, but it reminds me of Yoga Classes where you are meant to relax and repeat mantras. I just can't do it. It really drives me crazy.

The only prayer I say is the Lord's Prayer. It was the only prayer I ever loved.

I feel bad.


I don't have the book anymore, as it was borrowed from my spiritual director. But I did write down a nice piece of advice from a book of letters written by Dom Chapman: "Pray as you can, not as you can't"

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Maria, someone from higher up.

My guilt is wanting to do the right thing by my fellow man to pray the Rosary and also to have a devotion to Mother Mary. I think part of me finds it hard to believe that a prayer like this, with the repetitions, would be given to us to pray. So I guess I feel guilty in my lack of belief (just in the repetitiveness). I also feel a bit closer to Mother Mary than I ever did before. She never even used to enter my thoughts.

Maybe I'm wrong, and later on in life, I'll wake up to that fact but as I try to say the Lord's prayer everyday, I've decided to say one Hail Mary alongside it everyday as well (rather than a once in a while Rosary). Baby steps.

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I don't have the book anymore, as it was borrowed from my spiritual director. But I did write down a nice piece of advice from a book of letters written by Dom Chapman: "Pray as you can, not as you can't"
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I hope I'm not going to be blasphemous here, but it reminds me of Yoga Classes where you are meant to relax and repeat mantras. I just can't do it. It really drives me crazy.

Is Yoga compatible with Christianity?

http://www.jmanjackal.net/eng/engyoga.htm

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What is Yoga? The word Yoga means “union”, the goal of Yoga is to unite one’s transitory (temporary) self, “JIVA” with the infinite “BRAHMAN”, the Hindu concept of God.. This God is not a personal God, but it is an impersonal spiritual substance which is one with nature and cosmos. Brahman is an impersonal divine substance that “pervades, envelopes and underlies everything”. Yoga has its roots in the Hindu Upanishads, which is as old as 1.000 BC, and it tells about Yoga thus, “unite the light within you with the light of Brahman”. “The absolute is within one self” says the Chandogya Upanishads, “TAT TUAM ASI” or “THOU ART THAT”.
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Maybe I'm wrong, and later on in life, I'll wake up to that fact but as I try to say the Lord's prayer everyday, I've decided to say one Hail Mary alongside it everyday as well (rather than a once in a while Rosary). Baby steps.



Alma, you are a treasure! Who knows how many people will benifit from your post. :)

For many years I wasn't able to say the Rosary no matter how I tried.

Then one day I said, "Lord, you know how I try to pray the Rosary and never succeed .."

That word, pray, stunned me. I decided to start over and this time I would pray the Rosary.

I was even more stunned when I got to the last sentence: "Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.


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Maria, someone from higher up.

My guilt is wanting to do the right thing by my fellow man to pray the Rosary and also to have a devotion to Mother Mary. I think part of me finds it hard to believe that a prayer like this, with the repetitions, would be given to us to pray. So I guess I feel guilty in my lack of belief (just in the repetitiveness). I also feel a bit closer to Mother Mary than I ever did before. She never even used to enter my thoughts.

Maybe I'm wrong, and later on in life, I'll wake up to that fact but as I try to say the Lord's prayer everyday, I've decided to say one Hail Mary alongside it everyday as well (rather than a once in a while Rosary). Baby steps.

Thanks everyone
Repeating the prayer is only half of the rosary. It keeps the tongue out of trouble while the mind meditates on the mysteries. [For help on the mysteries see Divine Mercy Rosary] Also the prayer pulls the wandering mind back when it forgets that it is supposed to be meditating.

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Repeating the prayer is only half of the rosary.


But not for everyone...the very first time I heard at Mass, "I will send the Spirit, and the Spirit will teach you all things",
I took it very, very seriously and still do.


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http://hsccfv.com/divinemercy/rosary.html

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Spiritual Fruit: Purity of mind and body

How does meditating On the nativity lead to purity of mind and body?

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True Mary. Though I probably should correct myself and say that I 'pray' The Lord's Prayer and 'say' The Rosary (but pray the Hail Mary).

I'll pray for help.

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Your comments on changing the second part of the "Hail Mary"
Holy Mary Mother of God pray for--here enter my specific need---
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Years ago a priest had advised this ..... I wanted to know your opinion
Rather than "me now and at the hour of our death"

The hour of my death is important because there is a tug of war between God and Satan for my soul.??

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Your comments on changing the second part of the "Hail Mary"
Holy Mary Mother of God pray for--here enter my specific need---
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Years ago a priest had advised this ..... I wanted to know your opinion
Rather than "me now and at the hour of our death"

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The hour of my death is important because there is a tug of war between God and Satan for my soul.??


This is true. At the hour of your death satan will fight for your soul. he will try to tempt you with much effort in your weakest area. Just as Jesus was tempted after fasting for forty days and nights you too will be tempted. This is when the mother of Jesus, Our Blessed Mother, promises to be there to fight for you too. All the Hail Mary's said during your life will "fight" for you also. If you are Catholic having a priest to hear your last confession and/or give you extreme unction are so important when you are on your deathbed. And don't be afraid of death for it has no sting if you are prepared. Saying the Rosary can help you be prepared.

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fsimon wrote:
Your comments on changing the second part of the "Hail Mary"
Holy Mary Mother of God pray for--here enter my specific need---
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Years ago a priest had advised this ..... I wanted to know your opinion
Rather than "me now and at the hour of our death"

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The hour of my death is important because there is a tug of war between God and Satan for my soul.??


This is true. At the hour of your death satan will fight for your soul. he will try to tempt you with much effort in your weakest area. Just as Jesus was tempted after fasting for forty days and nights you too will be tempted. This is when the mother of Jesus, Our Blessed Mother, promises to be there to fight for you too. All the Hail Mary's said during your life will "fight" for you also. If you are Catholic having a priest to hear your last confession and/or give you extreme unction are so important when you are on your deathbed. And don't be afraid of death for it has no sting if you are prepared. Saying the Rosary can help you be prepared.

But the fight isn't exactly between God and Satan. God is God and Satan is a fallen angel. That said, THIS is really scary:
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This is true. At the hour of your death satan will fight for your soul. he will try to tempt you with much effort in your weakest area.

Do you mean that when a person is dying, in pain or semiconscious, or whatever, his guardian angel and Mary and Jesus would let that soul be taken to Hell?

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Mary and Jesus would let that soul be taken to Hell?


Satan first tempts us to do evil saying that it is better than good.
So I think that is true and become caught in a vice.
At the hour of death Satan appears as an accuser to show us all the evil we have done
He then tells God that he (satan ) has the right to take us to hell
We rely on gods Mercy and Mother Mary intercedes for us to tilt the scales
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Maria, someone from higher up.

My guilt is wanting to do the right thing by my fellow man to pray the Rosary and also to have a devotion to Mother Mary. I think part of me finds it hard to believe that a prayer like this, with the repetitions, would be given to us to pray. So I guess I feel guilty in my lack of belief (just in the repetitiveness). I also feel a bit closer to Mother Mary than I ever did before. She never even used to enter my thoughts.

Maybe I'm wrong, and later on in life, I'll wake up to that fact but as I try to say the Lord's prayer everyday, I've decided to say one Hail Mary alongside it everyday as well (rather than a once in a while Rosary). Baby steps.

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Dear Kathleen,

Not sure I understand your phrase "someone from higher up". Maybe you could clarify that.

I do understand that there can be "good guilt" and "bad guilt". It is good, in my judgment to feel guilty when we are not loving God and neighbor. That is God's command and if we are not doing all we can to obey with our whole, heart, soul, mind and strength, then we indeed need to feel guilty and repent of it, knowing that God is a God of Forgiveness. He sent His Son born of a woman so that we might be enabled by His Grace to love as He loves. All the saints of our Catholic Church are examples of how God can do "mighty works" not only in our Mother Mary, but in each one of us.

The Lord's Prayer is the perfect prayer and Jesus taught His disciples when they asked him how to pray. Jesus said "Pray like this", but Jesus gave us not just words. He gave us a "relationship". The Our Father is a formative prayer which helps us to ask (according to St. Thomas Aquinas) for all those things we need and in the order in which we need them. The Mass is also given to us to "pray" as well as we ourselves with Christ in Eucharist. The Our Father is prayed together as God's family before Holy Communion. The Rosary is another prayer, which contains the Our Father which helps us to grow in holiness.

The Rosary contains the Creed, the Our Father, the Hail Mary and the Gloria in such a way as to help us to conform our lives to the Life of Christ. The Creed contains a summary of all we believe, and so it is prayed but once to begin the Rosary in a spirit of Faith. The Our Father begins each decade. We repeat the 10 Hail Marys while we ponder each mystery of Jesus' Life with Mary in order to keep us focused on Jesus, the fruit of Mary's womb. This can help us to grow in our own relationship with Him just as Mary grew during her life of Faith, on this earth. We end the decade with the Gloria because it is toward the Blessed Trinity that our lives here are headed: we are on our journey home to heaven.

Baby steps are good. Praying with attention and devotion: the Our Father, slowly and fervently, followed by the Hail Mary, prayed slowly and fervently can lead you on to praying the Rosary. I believe that Mary has asked us to pray the Rosary daily because she knows how it can bring us closer to God. That is her vocation, after all, to bring Jesus to us and united with Him by the power of the Holy Spirit, to bring us all closer to God. I hope that you will hear Jesus words from the Cross, more deeply: "Behold Your Mother" and do as the Beloved Disciple John did, take her into your life. You will not regret it, for like her Son, Mary is never outdone in generosity, Kathleen. At the end of our lives here, we will have no regrets, if we have learned from the first, and best disciple of Jesus, His Mother -- whom He gave to us from the Cross.

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Well, as the very day that I made the decision I wasn't going to say the Rosary, I happened to read about the worthiness of the Rosary here on the Forum, I took that to be a sign. Whether from Mother Mary, from God, from the Angels, I don't know.

I talk to God every day. I pray for issues of the day, whether it be for people to 'see' Him and have Him change their lives, or in thanks for the gifts he has given me, or prayers to help me to change my ways etc. I talk as though I have a personal relationship with Him and I find prayers incredibly formal. I still completely revere Him but I tend to keep The Lord's prayer as the only structured prayer I say. Strangely, as a child, even before I knew who this prayer came from, it was the one and only prayer that literally hit me in the chest, like a physical blow.

I have never been able to follow structured prayers, maybe that is considered very wrong, as they have specially formulated words and intentions - but unless something is done from the heart, I think to God, it won't mean too much.

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http://hsccfv.com/divinemercy/rosary.html

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The Third Joyful Mystery THE NATIVITY

Spiritual Fruit: Purity of mind and body

How does meditating On the nativity lead to purity of mind and body?


I'm not familiar with that version. I'd have to ponder that while praying the next time I say do the Joyful Mysteries.

The devotional I came across lists detachment from the world as the virtue to be gained while saying that Mystery. Which makes a certain sense. Our Lord was so detached from the world that He allowed Himself to be born in a stable.

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Kathleen, we have much in common... :)

A few years ago someone on this Forum gave us a link to a Priest who had a daily, around the clock Rosary.
I'm sorry that I have never been able to recall that person's name, but maybe someone here will remember.

Check this out: http://www.comepraytherosary.org/

I do my utmost to always join with him and a group of his parishioners.


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Thanks Mary. I've added it to my favourites.

On a lighter note, and not to be disrespectful, but prayers said with groups of people don't always work out how you see them in the movies or even at church. I'm just now listening to my family try to say the Rosary and one skipped half the words, the other then became confused and it took quite a while to get back on track (I'm trying not to laugh). On another occasion my young nephew wanted to join in and he put so much effort into saying the prayer, very loudly and with face in full angst and passion that it took a Herculian effort from the rest of us not to fall apart. One last example was when we were in mid prayer and then all of a sudden the candle decides to light itself. Not sure how that happened, but it stopped us for a minute and then we continued.

That is not to say that I won't go there again. This may just be a time for me to assess myself.

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Candles have a very special effect on spirits. - All kinds. A candle lighting itself? I would say that is a very specific sign. I won't say what here but will ask others to discern and say what they feel that means.

I listen to a radio station which broadcasts recordings of families praying the Rosary. They are not without mistakes and hesitations, etc. But the prayer goes on to its completion. I find it easier to participate in that setting often when I am in my car. I don't think I have ever heard it done completely without some error but as in the scripture, "make a joyful noise unto the Lord" it matters less
whether you are a professional singer or just someone who loves God through song and cannot sing a lick. I believe the same could be said for the Rosary.

These prayers are something like insurance and will be waiting for you along with Our Blessed Mother when you are on your deathbed and soon after you pass. Do not underestimate the awesome power of the Most Holy Rosary whether you finish it or ask your Angel to finish it for you. When you say it demons tremble for they know that "she will crush his head." Boring? Easily distracted? Make mistakes? Lose interest? Please persevere. The Rosary will come back many times to help you in this life, and to help you to attain the next.

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Yes for me it depends on the people in the group.

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Well, as the very day that I made the decision I wasn't going to say the Rosary, I happened to read about the worthiness of the Rosary here on the Forum, I took that to be a sign. Whether from Mother Mary, from God, from the Angels, I don't know.

I talk to God every day. I pray for issues of the day, whether it be for people to 'see' Him and have Him change their lives, or in thanks for the gifts he has given me, or prayers to help me to change my ways etc. I talk as though I have a personal relationship with Him and I find prayers incredibly formal. I still completely revere Him but I tend to keep The Lord's prayer as the only structured prayer I say. Strangely, as a child, even before I knew who this prayer came from, it was the one and only prayer that literally hit me in the chest, like a physical blow.

I have never been able to follow structured prayers, maybe that is considered very wrong, as they have specially formulated words and intentions - but unless something is done from the heart, I think to God, it won't mean too much.

Dear Kathleen, (Alma)

One translation of the word "Alma" is "nourishing Mother" :) Perhaps your reading about the worthiness of the Rosary was a "sign" from Mother Mary to you! The last sentence in your post above, however, is very important for all of us to remember. God knows our hearts as no one else knows us, not even ourselves! He created us freely and He made us with hearts that yearn for Him, but are free to love Him or not. We may not realize this and wander around as St. Augustine did, but if we truly ask for His Truth in our lives, and seek Him with all our hearts, and keep on knocking at the door of His Heart, He will open to us. He tells us this in Mt. 7:7-11. St. Augustine, after searching for many years, finally acknowledged to God in prayer: "Late have I loved Thee, O Beauty ever ancient, ever new! ...Our hearts are restless Lord, until they rest in Thee."

We also need to remember that our hearts can deceive us! So we cannot base our lives on the emotions of the heart alone. God gave us an intellect to know His Truth, and a free will to choose God in that Truth, with our whole hearts. There is an absolute Truth Who is Jesus: The Way, The Truth and The Life. Jesus tells us (John 15) that without Him we can do nothing. We cannot do without Jesus as Head, nor can we do without His Church which is His Body. We need both Scripture and Tradition for His Revealed Word and the Church's teaching authority (Magisterium) for the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Jesus sent His Holy Spirit to the Church, promising that the Holy Spirit would bring us into the complete Truth.

The Lord's prayer is a "structured prayer", so is the Mass and the prayers given to us by the Church for the administration of Sacraments, and other prayers the Church approves: like the Rosary, and/or the Psalms prayed in the Divine Office, especially. The Church would not approve any prayer that did not have a true intention. We are certainly not required to say all the prayers she approves except for Mass and the Sacraments, but she highly recommends the Rosary. Structured prayers are helpful, and so is the prayer that can arise spontaneously from our hearts. Structured prayers are safer from errors, however, and so the Mass is carefully structured as well as prayers the Church approves for our own good, to keep them true to Christ and His teaching.

Why is the Rosary so important? The Rosary is a prayer which the Church continues to encourage because it contains the the perfect prayer which is so important, but also the Creed, the Hail Mary and the Glory Be, and most important of all the Mysteries of Christ's Life we are called to live. I firmly believe that the Lord wants us to pray with both heart and head. Our whole being is called into union with Him Who is love. The Rosary can greatly aid us in cooperating with God's Grace to make us the saints we are called to be in truth and help us not merely to follow our own wills, our likes and dislikes. God's Will is found in His Word and in His Church. God gave us Jesus and His Chruch to keep us in His Truth. The evil one lies.

The Our Father is the beginning of the relationship between God and us as taught by Jesus, and He intends us to keep growing in our Faith, Hope and above all Charity. I read in another of your posts about your attempt to pray the Rosary with a group. I agree this can be very, very difficult. My suggestion is to try and help everyone to become serious in their "conversation with God" (which is a definition of prayer used by St. Teresa of Avila.) Children can learn reverence from the good example of those older. Asking people to make a conscious effort to pray slowly and together, can help.

Sincere prayer from the heart is important. We also need attention as well as devotion. Teresa of Avila had a good sense of humor and told the nuns in her convent that if they did not have both attention and devotion in their prayers, they simply were not praying -- no matter how much their lips were moving!

May the Holy Spirit continue to guide you, Kathleen, and your family, in prayer. The Our Father is certainly the best beginning, as Jesus gave us, in this prayer, the way to pray, to come into union with God. Jesus shared with us His Life with the Father and He wants us to grow, by the power of His Holy Spirit in the Church. Mary was given to us from the Cross as our human Mother and Model. She followed Jesus perfectly and so she wants us to ponder His Mysteries. The Rosary helps us to follow Jesus, as Mary and the saints have done and they await us in the Eternal Home of Our Father.

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Thanks Mary

This may just be a time for me to assess myself.


I like that, Alma. Many, many years ago that's what I was doing.
And then one day after hearing the Gospel
I understood clearly that God was calling me
to live for the Church and for, "That they may all be one...".
I said 'yes' and have never looked back.


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O Father most holy, keep them in your name that you have given me,
so that they may be one just as we are one.
When I was with them I protected them in your name
that you gave me, and I guarded them,
and none of them was lost except the son of destruction,
in order that the scripture might be fulfilled.

But now I am coming to you.
I say all this while I am still in the world
so that they may share my joy completely.
I gave them your word, and the world hated them,
because they do not belong to the world
any more than I belong to the world.

I do not ask that you take them out of the world
but that you keep them from the evil one.
They do not belong to the world
any more than I belong to the world.

Consecrate them in the truth. Your word is truth.
as you sent me into the world,
so I have sent them into the world.
and I consecrate myself for them,
so that they also may be consecrated in truth.

I have given them the glory you gave me,
so that they may be one, as we are one,
I in them and you in me, that their unity may be complete,
so that the world may believe that you sent me,
and that you loved them as you loved me.



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