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Was the Chris Dorner episode a case of the government assassinating a citizen without due process?

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David L (CA)
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.” - Groucho Marx

Perhaps, but I suspect we will never know. The LAPD does not have a very sterling reputation.

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Andrew McAllister

Respect for the dignity of every innocent human being from conception/fertilization, without exception, without compromise, without apology.

There were many LE agencies involved besides the LAPD.

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David L (CA)
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.” - Groucho Marx

David,

I am of the opinion that there is an unwritten policy among police agencies around the world in that if someone kills a police officer, he will never see trial and will be taken down at the first opportunity. And Dorner did kill an officer and knew his fate was sealed.

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Ian DC
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Allegedly.

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David L (CA)
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.” - Groucho Marx

True, but this was their mission and had their stamps all over it. They should have done everything in their power to bring him to justice, not pursue him to his death.

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Andrew McAllister

Respect for the dignity of every innocent human being from conception/fertilization, without exception, without compromise, without apology.

I'm not certain, but I think the main agency involved in the siege at the mountain cabin was the San Bernardino County Sheriff.

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David L (CA)
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.” - Groucho Marx

Dorner was a previous employee of the LAPD, where all the trouble started and then quickly escalated. Also, keep in mind that the department is reopening the investigation for a closer look at the circumstances surrounding his firing.

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Andrew McAllister

Respect for the dignity of every innocent human being from conception/fertilization, without exception, without compromise, without apology.

One of the reported things about this case was that they were stopping all vehicle and forcibly searching each vehicle. without any warrants.

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Bob C

I agree, in a county near where I live they killed a person who allegedly killed a cop. Over 100 rounds were fired in the final assault, when asked about that number the Sheriff said we ran out of ammo, you kill a cop in this county you will die.

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Bob C

There were two instances of the police mistakenly firing at people before Dorner was caught. Two women delivering newspapers in a truck that was allegedly like Dorner's (not the same color and I'm not sure it was the same model) were both shot and a man had his truck rammed and then was shot at by police. This happened shortly after Dorner ran. The police obviously had hair finger triggers and were out for blood.

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Valerie Garcia
vals1990@yahoo.com

"Listen, O my son, to the precepts of thy master, and incline the ear of thy heart, and cheerfully receive and faithfully execute the admonitions of thy loving Father, that by the toil of obedience thou mayest return to Him ....." St. Benedict

How does this differ from the Feds killing citizens with (or without) drones?

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David L (CA)
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.” - Groucho Marx

David,
An old adage use to be "He who has the gold makes the rules". Or "He who has the power makes the rules". Whether it is the Feds or Obama or the Sheriff in LA or Pittsburgh, (similar situation).

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Pax et Bonum


Schultzz

Morally and legally it does not differ.

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Bob C

That would be my take as well.

I am reminded of Waco and Ruby Ridge, to name a couple.

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David L (CA)
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.” - Groucho Marx

In my opinion, it differs in many ways though the end result may be the same ASSUMING the cops actually executed Dormer like the Executive admits he executes those on his kill list.

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Daniel

"Do you think that I have come to establish peace on the earth? No, I tell you, but rather division." -- Luke 12:51

At present they are saying he committed suicide. But who is going to dispute that?

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David L (CA)
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.” - Groucho Marx

Much more of a threat to our liberty than the gun control initiatives. I would sue them so hard.

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Jeff Stevens

They do it all the time at DUI checkpoints claiming they smelled alcohol or pot and suspected an open container or stash. The point is, no matter what constitutional right we cede or to what extent, the "authorities" will continue to push the limits and that is why the gun grab legislation is so important to everyone.

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BobA

In Florida, DUI Checkpoints must be announced in advance, and they may not just search your vehicle for the fun of it. That's not to say that they can't find probable cause, usually a sniffer dog is at the checkpoint, if the dog alerts then they have probable cause.

Having trained dogs for many years it would not be to much trouble to train the dogs to alert to a hand signal.

I once had an attorney tell me that if a police officer asks you to step out of the car, do so take your keys with you and hit the power lock as soon as you are out of the car. If asked why you did that say, sorry just habit, if they ask for permission to search your locked car you are well within your rights to ask them to get a warrant first.

Police Officers have a tough job, and I support them in their efforts; but every time we surrender a Constitutional Right, we diminish our freedoms.

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Bob C

David,



Mr Dorner committed suicide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Dorner

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James Daly

"It is the Lord." (Jn 21:7)

Don't belive everthing you read on the internet.

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David L (CA)
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.” - Groucho Marx

Someone who will kill a cop will kill anyone. He doesn't care about consequences.

The massive manhunt for Dorner forced him into hiding. That's exactly what the police wanted. They didn't want him roaming around freely killing anybody who recognized him.

They would find his hiding place sooner or later. They didn't want to find him by following a trail of dead bodies.

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Norman
...that is the regret of a lot of old people when they look back and realize too late what might have been.
This was what President Martin regretted. He thought he was doing something good. It was a disaster. How can anybody know what is the right thing to do?
-- Theresa

JMJ


Granted, dorner was extremely dangerous and needed to be stopped. Granted also a manhunt need to be done.

Nevertheless, that does NOT give any officers the right to break the law. Stopping vehicles without a warrant, as noted in this case. And also, the shooting of the two women. They were searching for a male suspect so they saw a truck with two women and somebody still fired?

Yes, I want a safe country--but not a police state. The Bill of Rights is there for a reason.

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Peace.. Mary Jo
They that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles (Isiah 40:32)