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Obama: 'Our journey is not complete' until we redefine marriage

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WASHINGTON, D.C., January 21, 2013, (LifeSiteNews.com) – President Barack Obama forcefully advanced the homosexual agenda in his second inaugural address this afternoon, saying redefining marriage must be enacted “by [God's] people here on earth."

“We, the people, declare today that the most evident of truths – that all of us are created equal – is the star that guides us still; just as it guided our forebears through Seneca Falls, and Selma, and Stonewall,” he said.

The 1969 Stonewall riots, in which homosexuals in drag pelted and attempted to immolate police for raiding a Mafia-run gay bar, are considered by many the genesis of the modern homosexual political movement.

“Our journey is not complete until our gay brothers and sisters are treated like anyone else under the law – for if we are truly created equal, then surely the love we commit to one another must be equal as well,” the president said.


We the people? Our journey? It would seem that President Obama is intent on charting a course to hell. I will not be joining him if I have anything to do with it.

And by the way, all of us are not created equal. Equal under the law, YES -at least, prior to President Obama establishing the divisive morally devoid leftist rule he champions.

I will have to get a complete copy of his latest platitude filled speech of lies and dissect it.

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Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
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Thanks. I will pray before reading.

P.S. I tend to avoid watching President Obama on television and what some consider cause for celebration this day I mourn.

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Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-22/b ... ss/4477266

If I didn't know about all the attacks on religious freedom and conscience, if I didn't know anything about Obama, I would say that was a very, very good speech.
Except for the line about homosexuals, of course. They already have all the rights anybody else has.

I found this line kind of odd: Our journey is not complete until no citizen is forced to wait for hours to exercise the right to vote.

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If I didn't know about all the attacks on religious freedom and conscience, if I didn't know anything about Obama, I would say that was a very, very good speech.
Except for the line about homosexuals, of course. They already have all the rights anybody else has.

I found this line kind of odd: Our journey is not complete until no citizen is forced to wait for hours to exercise the right to vote.


There is much odd with much of what President Obama says. With President Obama it is best to watch what he does to better appreciate what distaste and evil he actually serves for consumption -this, rather than listen to his platitudes wrapped with flowery phrases that tend to suggest something pleasing and righteous is on the horizon.

Hopefully, I will be able to dissect his speech in short order and post some observations on the topic here.

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I found this line kind of odd: "Our journey is not complete until no citizen is forced to wait for hours to exercise the right to vote".


Why odd? Do you not think that an important contemporary civil rights issue in the US?

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I found this line kind of odd: Our journey is not complete until no citizen is forced to wait for hours to exercise the right to vote.


I guess I will begin with this one. First, the US is not a Democracy but rather a Representative Republic and The Sovereign Nation known as the US is comprised of Sovereign States comprised of Sovereign Citizens.

As such, one can understand why it is Constitutional that the States decide upon voting requirements, voting methodology etcetera RATHER than the Federal Government.

Despite what Obama claims, there actually is no individual right to vote, nor is their a right to national mob rule in all matters reserved to the individual States or Citizens. For instance, the right to bear arms is an individual right -an individual power that neither the Federal Government nor States can do away with or infringe upon EXCEPT in exceptional individual cases where due process under the rule of law has been observed e.g. a convicted violent felon. Much like the gun example, voting requirements and voting methodology comprises a State right -a power that the Federal Government can do away with or infringe upon EXCEPT in exceptional individual cases where due process under the rule of law has been observed.

Anyway and in summary, President Obama presents a fallacy and implies some supposed injustice as reason for advocating and promoting a common leftist collectivist goal -more Federal control (mob rule) over the States and as a consequence the Citizens when it comes to voting. In essence, Obama seeks to subvert the Constitution in regards to powers and rights rather than attempt to legislatively Amend it.

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The Constitution contains many phrases, clauses, and amendments detailing ways people cannot be denied the right to vote. You cannot deny the right to vote because of race or gender. Citizens of Washington DC can vote for President; 18-year-olds can vote; you can vote even if you fail to pay a poll tax. The Constitution also requires that anyone who can vote for the "most numerous branch" of their state legislature can vote for House members and Senate members.

Note that in all of this, though, the Constitution never explicitly ensures the right to vote, as it does the right to speech, for example. It does require that Representatives be chosen and Senators be elected by "the People," and who comprises "the People" has been expanded by the aforementioned amendments several times. Aside from these requirements, though, the qualifications for voters are left to the states. And as long as the qualifications do not conflict with anything in the Constitution, that right can be withheld. For example, in Texas, persons declared mentally incompetent and felons currently in prison or on probation are denied the right to vote. It is interesting to note that though the 26th Amendment requires that 18-year-olds must be able to vote, states can allow persons younger than 18 to vote, if they chose to.

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Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
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I found this line kind of odd: "Our journey is not complete until no citizen is forced to wait for hours to exercise the right to vote".


Why odd? Do you not think that an important contemporary civil rights issue in the US?


An important contemporary civil rights issue on par with abortion and homosexual sex? Obama seems to advance all equal in import. How would you rate them comparatively?

Anyway, what the left terms an important contemporary civil rights issue I almost always find to be an issue never lacking close behind a leftist prescription that promotes either specifically a communist goal or generally a subversion of the US Constitution.

Once one gets beyond the diagnosis uttered by the pleasing physician assumed to pledge no harm and actually looks at the prescription proferred as remedy one realizes the good doctor is intent upon euthanizing the patient.

I agree with many though -it sounds so nice especially when uttered by one so charasmatic... :roll: :roll: :roll:

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I found this line kind of odd: "Our journey is not complete until no citizen is forced to wait for hours to exercise the right to vote".


I suspect the line was a shot at Gov. Scott of Florida. Scott cut down on the number of polling places and the number of early voting days as a cost reduction for the state. Then the ballot was written with 12 Constitutional Amendments that had to be read and decided upon, the ballot was 4 pages long if I recall, and then of course it was bilingual. Because we went through the sample ballot ahead of time we voted rather quickly but the 47 odd people in front of us seemed to take hours.

There were claims of people standing in line for hours to vote, I believe it.

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It's not just Florida.

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Newspapers and bloggers reported long waiting lines during the 2012 election in numerous states, including Ohio where the Rev. Jesse Jackson compared it to “epic waits endured by South African voters after the fall of apartheid in 1994,” the Washington Post reported.

“These long lines are gallant, but they’re also repressive,” Jackson said.



http://www.humanevents.com/2013/01/22/h ... sen-boxer/

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Democrats are fed up with waiting in long lines to cast their ballots on Election Day, and they’re doing something about it through legislation introduced Tuesday by Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) to put an end to waits over 90 minutes.

Dubbed the Lines Interfere with National Elections Act (LINE Act), Boxer’s bill aims to get voters into the voting booths quicker by requiring new national standards for thousands of polling stations nationwide.

“Forcing American voters to stand in line for hours is tantamount to denying their fundamental right to vote,” Boxer said Tuesday after introducing her bill. “President (Barack) Obama is right to make election reform a priority, and I look forward to working with my colleagues to ensure that no voter has to face hours-long delays to cast a ballot.”

Ending long lines was a focus point in Obama’s inauguration speech in Washington on Monday, where hundreds of thousands of spectators were herded through slow-moving lines at checkpoints stationed along the National Mall to hear the speech.



(Cute irony in that last para.)

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Democrats are fed up with waiting in long lines to cast their ballots on Election Day, and they’re doing something about it through legislation introduced Tuesday by Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) to put an end to waits over 90 minutes.


With the Democrats it comes down to a problem of logistics. For the most part, the Democrat "Get Out The Vote" effort literally consists of transporting people to the polls and instructing them as to who or what to vote for. Much more time -time that extends well beyond the early voting inroads made already is needed for this voter herding effort no doubt.

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I suspect the line was a shot at Gov. Scott of Florida. Scott cut down on the number of polling places and the number of early voting days as a cost reduction for the state. Then the ballot was written with 12 Constitutional Amendments that had to be read and decided upon, the ballot was 4 pages long if I recall, and then of course it was bilingual. Because we went through the sample ballot ahead of time we voted rather quickly but the 47 odd people in front of us seemed to take hours.

There were claims of people standing in line for hours to vote, I believe it.

Bob,

Ah, thanks for explaining that.

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I know about the early voting, the mail-in voting, etc, and I was aware there was an issue about military not being able to vote (or get their votes counted-- don't remember exactly what it was), and I read stories about Democrats intimidating Republican voters into not voting in places like Philadelphia, but I was not aware standing in line for hours was a problem.

And now that I know the background, it strikes me as too much of a temporary, localised minor issue to include in an inaugural speech. The voter intimidation is much more serious, IMO.

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Anyway and in summary, President Obama presents a fallacy and implies some supposed injustice as reason for advocating and promoting a common leftist collectivist goal -more Federal control (mob rule) over the States and as a consequence the Citizens when it comes to Education. In essence, Obama seeks to subvert the Constitution in regards to powers and rights rather than attempt to legislatively Amend it.


After a cursory review I would say that the above paragraph will be referenced repeatedly. I look now at the lofty Education platitudes -for the children... Hinted at and alluded to in the speech.

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No single person can train all the math and science teachers we'll need to equip our children for the future.


YET a single Federal Washington DC entity and or bureaucrat can centrally plan and coordinate what a few subjective experts agree should be so -all this dictated to the States by a Federal government not given such powers?

The words and inferred happy thoughts appear in stark contrast to the realities evidenced as exampled in for instance the political agenda of Teachers Unions who use children much as President Obama does as stage props or pawns employed to facilitate political or personal gain -to further the leftist agenda at the expense of our posterity and our national interests. Math and Science -probably the two least leftist advanced subjects, this because they are most difficult to infuse with propaganda (though some try hard e.g. climate science). Even when they are supposedly advanced, they are in reality negatively advanced by seeking group think. fairness, and political correctness rather than individual opportunity and academic excellence:

Rotten to the Core: Obama's War on Academic Standards (Part 1)

One has to wonder, what 'future' is President Obama seeking to equip children for? Hell on Earth?

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Obama: 'Our journey is not complete' until we redefine "disordered".

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Arwen wrote:
And now that I know the background, it strikes me as too much of a temporary, localised minor issue to include in an inaugural speech.


In my opinion it was a speech fitting more a community organizing leader of special interest groups intent upon pursuing an agenda that creates new rights than a speech fitting a President of the United States; a leader of all Americans, intent upon upholding the Constitution and protecting the inherent and unalienable rights of all citizens.

One does not need to deliver a campaign speech or mount a campaign effort for duties and powers already held. With the recent birth of President Obama's "Organizing for Action" group it should be evident to all that President Obama seeks more than what the Constitution provides him as far as power. As well, based upon his speech it should be self evident who other than himself he seeks more for.

I asked myself long ago when Mr. Obama first appeared from out of nowhere onto the political landscape -what is a community organizer, what does a community organizer do exactly? I now know the answers -I see them daily...

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Our Pied Piper appears to be leading us down a road that is wide and paved with good intentions. Want to guess what lies at the end?

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I still digest and dissect. Another tidbit consumed.

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"We made ourselves anew, and vowed to move forward together. Together we determined that a modern economy requires railroads and highways to speed travel and commerce, schools and colleges to train our workers. Together we discovered that a free market only thrives when there are rules to ensure competition and fair play. Together we resolve that a great nation must care for the vulnerable and protect its people from life's worst hazards and misfortune. Through it all, we have never relinquished our skepticism of central authority, nor have we succumbed to the fiction that all societies ills can be cured through government alone. Our celebration of initiative and enterprise, our insistence on hard work and personal responsibility, these are constants in our character. For we have always understood that when times change, so must we, that fidelity to our founding principles requires new responses to new challenges, that preserving our individual freedoms ultimately requires collective action. For the American people can no more meet the demands of today's world be acting alone than American soldiers could have met the forces of fascism or communism with muskets and militias. No single person can train all the math and science teachers we'll need to equip our children for the future. Or build the roads and networks and research labs that will bring new jobs and businesses to our shores.

Now, more than ever, we must do these things together, as one nation, and one people.


According to president Obama's version of history "together we" did many splendid things. What exactly does President Obama convey with this togetherness? Is he suggesting a coordinated centrally planned effort -an effort conceived, promoted, and carried out by all together as in GOVERNMENT? Well, yes he is. However, history does not agree with such -facts seems to blur the collectivist revision so eloquently painted.

One obvious fact -it is the States NOT the Federal Government that are responsible for and have the power regarding Schools & Roads. Yes, the Federal Government increasingly attempts to subvert the powers of the States but still today it remains the States -not TOGETHER but individually.

Another obvious fact. People -people like John D. Rockefeller, Cornelius Vanderbilt, Andrew Carnegie, Henry Ford, J.P. Morgan and many others built most if not all these things that President Obama claims Federal Government success for. Having recently watched the documentary series on History Channel "The Men Who Built America" still fresh in my mind I recall government coming in AFTER the fact. I doubt seriously whether I will see the series retitled to "The Government Who Built America" any time soon. As well I doubt that future generations will ever see a documentary series titled "The Community Organized Collective Who Built America (AKA The Communist Regime Who Built America)".

Now more than ever, Government is the enemy of those who build America. Why is this so? Because, when President Lincoln, a Republican, proclaimed of a government of by and for the people he was NOT referring to an Executive Branch of the Federal Government on steroids riding roughshod over the Constitution -he was referring to a Republic which is limited and represented not only by the three branches at the Federal Level but as well REPRESENTED by the three branches that comprise the United States Government -The Federal, the States, and the People. President Obama is but the Federal Executive with limited powers regardless his unlimited imagination and eloquent prose.

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P.S. I tend to avoid watching President Obama on television and what some consider cause for celebration this day I mourn.


I am not mourning so much since I feel God is allowing this for a higher good.
What is more a cause for me to mourn is the blindness of people, and the direction that the US and the world is taking.

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P.S. I tend to avoid watching President Obama on television and what some consider cause for celebration this day I mourn.


I am not mourning so much since I feel God is allowing this for a higher good.
What is more a cause for me to mourn is the blindness of people, and the direction that the US and the world is taking.
I think God is allowing this to punish us for rejecting Him; especially in ignoring Humanae Vitae and in allowing Roe vs Wade to stand. I think we must repent and do penance for these before He will listen to our prayer for relief from the consequences.

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P.S. I tend to avoid watching President Obama on television and what some consider cause for celebration this day I mourn.


I am not mourning so much since I feel God is allowing this for a higher good.
What is more a cause for me to mourn is the blindness of people, and the direction that the US and the world is taking.


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I think God is allowing this to punish us for rejecting Him; especially in ignoring Humanae Vitae and in allowing Roe vs Wade to stand. I think we must repent and do penance for these before He will listen to our prayer for relief from the consequences.


In a general sense I agree with you in regard to the temporal -the punishment a realized temporal consequence that all suffer as a result of some violating the law.

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More on the speech that others as well dissect and comment upon.

Democracy is on the brink of a sea change

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The core message was pounded home relentlessly: American government is now in the redistribution and welfare-provision business, and this is not (contrary to appearances) at variance with the founding fathers’ conception of a nation that is inherently opposed to state interference and domination over the individual. This is the new credo of American nationhood: the government, not the community or the household, will be the moral arbiter of social virtue. The traditional suspicion of the overweening power of the state is now a thing of the past. Democracy is about electing a government that will be there to protect you from hardship, shelter you from the storm and absolve you from sin. Well, no, maybe not that last one – but the concept of the state as moral saviour is not so remote from this, is it?

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I know I am preaching to the choir -not many if any President Obama supporters on this forum now. As an aside, I recently watched a documentary on the Nuremberg trials that followed the defeat of Nazi Germany. One of the commentators noted that after Hitler was defeated that no Nazis could be found in Germany -at least none that would admit to being one in the past...


President Obama’s War on Marriage

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In May 2012, Newsweek crowned Barack Obama “the first gay president” for his war on marriage. A halo appeared above his head in the cover photo. The magazine was applauding him not only for his defiance of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) but for his “evolution” in favor of gay marriage, a stance no president before him had ever taken.

This flattering narrative about his brave and anguished transformation was bogus. He had endorsed gay marriage many years before. “I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight any effort to prohibit such marriage,” he wrote in reply to a 1996 issues survey from a gay magazine based on Chicago’s North Side. When this became public and threatened to cause him political damage as a state Senate candidate, his aides cast the answer as a garbled misfire. It wasn’t. He had signed the letter himself.


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When it comes to marriage, Obama respects neither natural law nor even positive law. What God and Congress have joined together, he feels free to put asunder.

“In practice they can just look the other way. But this is not the way our government was intended to work,” House Speaker John Boehner has said. Indeed, America’s Founding Fathers would have regarded Obama’s open defiance of DOMA as a tyrannical act. In his inaugural oath, he promised to uphold the law. On DOMA, he is actively subverting it.

Last week, his Justice Department filed a brief with the Supreme Court, urging it to discard DOMA on the grounds that the law violates the “fundamental constitutional guarantee of equal protection.” This is the chimerical catch-all phrase of liberals who want to ignore justly enacted laws and smuggle their ideology into the Constitution.

The spectacle of the federal government filing briefs against federal laws (in this case, a law signed by Bill Clinton) is ridiculous. The Justice Department exists to enforce the law, not to serve as pro bono counsel for gay activists who seek to violate it.

Even as he blatantly puts the resources of the Justice Department at the service of gay marriage, he claims that his support for it is only “personal” and that he considers it a “state” matter. But if it is an issue for the people to decide at the state level, why did he just announce that he is considering a legal brief against California’s Proposition 8? He doesn’t even bother to coordinate his con jobs at this point.

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