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Maybe it's where I live but I wouldn't assign such martyrdom the our grocery checkers and baggers. Most of our baggers could care less if anyone needed them to bag they'd rather stand around and gab with the checkers, probably should call them gabbers. I avoid the self-check/self-bag lines unless the regular lines are too long for one or two items because the store charges me just as much to do for free the work their employees, union by the way, are being paid to do. If I wanted to work in a grocery store I would have applied to one.



The grocery store I shop in, the baggers work, and work hard. My son now 22 started working there as a bagger at 16. He has since been promoted and is at a different store, but they are courteous hard working mostly High School kids, some retirees and a couple of high functioning people who have downs syndrome. Any of them standing around gabbing will soon be unemployed.

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What do I need to do? I need to get my frozen stuff in the freezer before it thaws out.

And need I remind you that with 9 children and all of the "doings" that go along with them, including literally a carload of groceries every week, I need to be as organized as possible in the little things so as to make life a bit less crazy?

Kind of hard to find gratitude in another person's preferences when you don't walk in their shoes, isn't it?


The shoes that you choose. What does "needing to be as organized as possible" have to do with showing a little kindness and having a little patience with people? Are we not supposed to be models of our faith?

You do not have to answer that Dean. I think you already do that by being blessed with so many children and I am sure it takes loads of courage and caring and herculean effort for both you and your wife to raise your children according to your faith. I do NOT walk in your shoes, you're right, and I DO admire and respect you for your "Closer walk with the Lord". I was just responding to your very candid and honest appraisal of your feelings. I hope that you have a blessed and healthy New Year.

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...or steam our own hamburgers.

I don't think your should steam anybody's hamburgers. Yuck! :hold:


When grilling on a flat griddle it helps to melt cheese over a burger if a bit of water is put on the grill then a cover over it and the burger, called steaming.


What I was referring to was the practice I seem to observe at MacDonalds, where burger patties seem to be precooked at a central facility and then they are steam-warmed in a drawer at the restaurant when the sandwich is ordered. I don't believe there are griddles or grills at many fast-food restaurants anymore.

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Shopper punches out self service check out.....


http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/ba ... punch.html

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The shoes that you choose. What does "needing to be as organized as possible" have to do with showing a little kindness and having a little patience with people? Are we not supposed to be models of our faith?

You do not have to answer that Dean.


But I will anyway, with questions of my own. Where was it ever implied by me that I don't show kindness and patience to anyone? What does going through the self-checkout line have to do with not showing kindness and patience or being models of our faith? Perhaps I show kindness and patience to the monitors of the self-checkout line instead. In cases where perhaps patience would be taxed beyond reasonable limits, such as having to wait 25-45 minutes in line while the groceries I bought warm up or thaw out, it might be more merciful for all to avoid the temptation to show my displeasure at the unreasonable slowness of the system altogether.

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The shoes that you choose. What does "needing to be as organized as possible" have to do with showing a little kindness and having a little patience with people? Are we not supposed to be models of our faith?

You do not have to answer that Dean.


But I will anyway, with questions of my own. Where was it ever implied by me that I don't show kindness and patience to anyone? What does going through the self-checkout line have to do with not showing kindness and patience or being models of our faith? Perhaps I show kindness and patience to the monitors of the self-checkout line instead. In cases where perhaps patience would be taxed beyond reasonable limits, such as having to wait 25-45 minutes in line while the groceries I bought warm up or thaw out, it might be more merciful for all to avoid the temptation to show my displeasure at the unreasonable slowness of the system altogether.



If what I said really bothers you then maybe it would be wise to look a little more closely at why it does. Why do you feel that vindication is necessary? Why do you feel as though my comments were directed at you and not all of us in general?

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...or steam our own hamburgers.

I don't think your should steam anybody's hamburgers. Yuck! :hold:


When grilling on a flat griddle it helps to melt cheese over a burger if a bit of water is put on the grill then a cover over it and the burger, called steaming.


What I was referring to was the practice I seem to observe at MacDonalds, where burger patties seem to be precooked at a central facility and then they are steam-warmed in a drawer at the restaurant when the sandwich is ordered. I don't believe there are griddles or grills at many fast-food restaurants anymore.


Our A&W joints still grill each burger and I believe Wendy's does as well, I avoid Micky-Dee's at all costs; I think Hardee's and Burger King char-broil each burger; not sure if any of the chain burgers are partially precooked though.

As for the comment about having to walk in their shoes by Schultz; been there from sweeping a barber shop floor to working for a caterer to military KP. Since our baggers and checkers are the ones gabbing it would be hard to punish the bagger and not the checker, could bring the union down on the store; our store manager impresses me as one who has risen to her maximum level of incompetence.

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Local Steak and Shake still grill everything.

The store manager likely has a boss as well, and that boss likely has an e-mail address.

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Schultzz,

It bothers me because a) it was directed at me (your initial response to my post, first 2 sentences, used the pronoun "you") and b) because the preaching to me about being pleasant was off-base. Simple as that.

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And what are you in such a big hurry to do? Are you going to rush out of the store to save a life? What about the people who have to stand there and do the same thing over and over for some others who have little or no appreciation for such a menial job? Can we not be pleasant to people while we wait? Their life is made up of minutes and hours and days of responding to needs in their state of life. Would it not be like fasting or a worthy sacrifice if we "tolerated" the very few minutes we are in line to bring something good to people who cannot walk out the door after the sale? It is easy to find impatience and difficult to find gratitude. I know, I have acted the same way.

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As for the comment about having to walk in their shoes by Schultz; been there from sweeping a barber shop floor to working for a caterer to military KP.


Me too. Paper boy from age 12 to shoe salesman removing shoes from people's feet and putting them on to working in a dry cleaner (where I received a second degree burn the length of my forearm) to shoe salesman again. I know exactly what it is like to work menial jobs and deal with people who view you as little more than carpet on which to step. I have great sympathy for all who work menial jobs. That doesn't mean I have to tolerate laziness by certain people doing them. It also doesn't mean I have to submit myself to suffer the inconvenience of patronizing a system that is slower by nature than another way of doing things. At the store I frequent, the cashier and the bagger are the same person. That means it's going to be a slow process. In self-checkout, I run the groceries through the scanner and the child who is with me at the time bags the groceries. Simple.

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As for the comment about having to walk in their shoes by Schultz; been there from sweeping a barber shop floor to working for a caterer to military KP.


Me too. Paper boy from age 12 to shoe salesman removing shoes from people's feet and putting them on to working in a dry cleaner (where I received a second degree burn the length of my forearm) to shoe salesman again. I know exactly what it is like to work menial jobs and deal with people who view you as little more than carpet on which to step. I have great sympathy for all who work menial jobs. That doesn't mean I have to tolerate laziness by certain people doing them. It also doesn't mean I have to submit myself to suffer the inconvenience of patronizing a system that is slower by nature than another way of doing things. At the store I frequent, the cashier and the bagger are the same person. That means it's going to be a slow process. In self-checkout, I run the groceries through the scanner and the child who is with me at the time bags the groceries. Simple.



Darn, should have kept at least one of our offspring at home! :)

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Local Steak and Shake still grill everything.

The store manager likely has a boss as well, and that boss likely has an e-mail address.


I could ultimately correspond with the Kroger CEO, in my opinion it wouldn't make a difference; Kroger does send management teams out routinely to whip the stores into shape and it works for a brief time. I find that a few glares or comments about the value of my time are more immediately effective than swapping emails would be.

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Schultzz,

It bothers me because a) it was directed at me (your initial response to my post, first 2 sentences, used the pronoun "you") and b) because the preaching to me about being pleasant was off-base. Simple as that.

It sounds as though I may have reminded you of someone else from your past. I am not that person. However you may have been treated in the past, I didn't do it. Why would you take offense to something that is not yours........... unless it is.

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As for the comment about having to walk in their shoes by Schultz; been there from sweeping a barber shop floor to working for a caterer to military KP.


I think we're drifting but I disliked KP more than anything else. Besides I probably wouldn't fit in Dean's shoes unless he wears a size 14-15 wide.

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It bothers me because a) it was directed at me (your initial response to my post, first 2 sentences, used the pronoun "you") and b) because the preaching to me about being pleasant was off-base. Simple as that.

It sounds as though I may have reminded you of someone else from your past. I am not that person. However you may have been treated in the past, I didn't do it. Why would you take offense to something that is not yours........... unless it is.


Well, because you accuse me of something that is not true and you then continue to imply that I am taking offense because perhaps it is true. I'll remind you of when Fr. Angel also expressed mild irritation at your attempts at mind-reading, after which you denied that is what you were doing. As long as we're into preaching to each other, perhaps it's a pattern of yours that you should attempt to better control?

I'll lock the thread now, since it seems the purpose of the thread has been exhausted and it is going to become a tit-for-tat between you and me.

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