Catholic Online Forum

The first interactive Catholic Forum on the web
It is currently 19 Jun 2013 07:58

All times are UTC - 8 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 7 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: 08 Dec 2012 21:02 
Offline
Master Member
Master Member
User avatar

Joined: 10 Jul 2003 13:32
Posts: 5094
I do not feel there would be much contention discussing the Catholic origins of Protestantism.

There are any number of false religions that though they may teach some truth are not the Church.

So, maybe more precise, what about the Catholic origins of Islam -or is Islam some sacred cow? Or as some 'progressive' intellectual elites claim -are all religions equal?

Or even as President Obama claims -to paraphrase: Islam has given us much good...

The Christian Origins of Islam

-small excerpt:
Quote:
Near the bottom of the pit of hell, Dante encounters a man walking with his torso split from chin to groin, his guts and other organs spilling out. “See how I tear myself!” the man shrieks. “See how Mahomet is deformed and torn!” For us, the scene is not only gruesome but surprising, for Dante is not in a circle of false religion but in a circle reserved for those who tear the body of Christ. Like many medieval Christians, Dante views Islam less as a rival religion than as a schismatic form of Christianity.

Peter J. LeithartA handful of Western scholars now think there is considerable historical truth to Dantes view. According to the standard Muslim account, the Quran contains revelations that Allah delivered to Mohammed through the angel Jibril between 609 and 632. They were fixed in written form under the third Caliph in the mid seventh century. Islamic scholar Christoph Luxenberg doubts most of this. In 2000, he published the German edition of The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran, whose restrained title and dispassionate tone belie its explosive arguments-explosive enough for the author to hide behind a pseudonym. The book has been banned in several Islamic countries.

One of Luxenbergs central arguments is that the Quran is an Arabic translation of an original Syriac/Aramaic text. Luxenberg is able to resolve oddities in the Arabic text by treating them as erroneous Arabic translations of an original Syriac text. Words that have no Arabic source turn out to be garbled versions of common Syriac terms. Luxenberg even finds evidence in the Quran itself for treating it as a translation. By his rendering, Sura 44:58 says “we have translated [the Koran] into your language so that they may allow themselves to be reminded.”

_________________
Daniel

"Do you think that I have come to establish peace on the earth? No, I tell you, but rather division." -- Luke 12:51


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 08 Dec 2012 21:04 
Offline
Master Member
Master Member
User avatar

Joined: 05 Oct 2004 07:39
Posts: 8711
Location: Northern VA, USA
Could be. I thought Islam was frequently thought of as a Christian heresy, since Arabia was mostly surrounded by Christianity at the time anyway.

My first question is, what is the impact if it is?

_________________
ImageJeff StevensImage


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 08 Dec 2012 21:11 
Offline
Master Member
Master Member
User avatar

Joined: 10 Jul 2003 13:32
Posts: 5094
Kardinal wrote:
Could be. I thought Islam was frequently thought of as a Christian heresy, since Arabia was mostly surrounded by Christianity at the time anyway.

My first question is, what is the impact if it is?


I am still digesting the article and considering the impact.

My first thought was that instead of supposedly being based upon divine revelation, Islam would be seen as being premised upon the lies of a man or men.

_________________
Daniel

"Do you think that I have come to establish peace on the earth? No, I tell you, but rather division." -- Luke 12:51


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 10 Dec 2012 09:00 
Offline
Forum Staff
Forum Staff
User avatar

Joined: 16 Jul 2002 12:15
Posts: 11566
Location: State of Michigan, USA
I had read somewhere that Islam could have been an extreme manifestation of the Arian heresy.

_________________
Dean
Most people's sense of history goes back to breakfast time - Benjamin Netanyahu


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 10 Dec 2012 15:40 
Offline
Master Member
Master Member
User avatar

Joined: 10 Dec 2003 01:07
Posts: 15020
Location: Sydney, Australia
Dean,

Quote:
Medieval Christian views on Muhammad were largely antagonistic. During the Middle Ages, the Christian world was actively in opposition to or showed hostility toward Muhammad, the prophet of Islam. The earliest (documented) Christian knowledge of Muhammad stems from Byzantine sources, written shortly after Muhammad's death in 632. John of Damascus in the 8th century characterized Muhammad as a false prophet introducing a Christological heresy akin to Arianism in contesting the divinity of Jesus Christ. With the Crusades of the High Middle Ages, and the wars against the Ottoman Empire during the Late Middle Ages, the Christian reception of Muhammad became more polemical, moving from the classification as a heretic to depiction of Muhammad as a servant of Satan or as the Antichrist, who will be suffering tortures in Hell.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_C ... n_Muhammad

Matthew Paris refers to Mohammed as a Cardinal.

_________________
James Daly

"It is the Lord." (Jn 21:7)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 10 Dec 2012 17:09 
Offline
Forum Staff
Forum Staff
User avatar

Joined: 16 Jul 2002 12:15
Posts: 11566
Location: State of Michigan, USA
Thank you, James. I didn't it in Wikipedia though, but it's good to know I'm not off-base. :wink:

_________________
Dean
Most people's sense of history goes back to breakfast time - Benjamin Netanyahu


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 11 Dec 2012 07:56 
Offline
Senior Member
Senior Member
User avatar

Joined: 30 Jul 2003 03:49
Posts: 3475
"Even should one appear to you as an angel of light and speak to you something other than we have preached..."

_________________
Jules Xx


What will become of sinners?


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 7 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 8 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group