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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2012 15:56 
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Supreme Court to Review Prop 8, Defense of Marriage Act

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court will take up California's ban on same-sex marriage, a case that could give the justices the chance to rule on whether gay Americans have the same constitutional right to marry as heterosexuals.

The justices said Friday they will review a federal appeals court ruling that struck down the state's gay marriage ban, though on narrow grounds. The San Francisco-based appeals court said the state could not take away the same-sex marriage right that had been granted by California's Supreme Court.

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PostPosted: 07 Dec 2012 16:13 
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It should be a slam dunk with the Supreme Court throwing out the judge's personal edict as to no rational basis -in essence, the judge trampled upon religious liberty....


This from a discussion just over two years ago Catholic Online Forum • Anti-Prop. 8 ruling claims Pope teachings ‘harm’ homosexuals:

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Arwen wrote:
The judge wrote, "Proposition 8 fails to advance any rational basis in singling out gay men and women for denial of a marriage license."


I now work on developing and refining an 'argument' that establishes a rational historical basis for marriage between a man and woman being valued by society. It is but a skeleton of an argument that will require fleshing out which I may do here on this thread -hopefully with input...

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It is premised somewhat upon the natural law concept and as well upon the nature of the individual and mankind to pursue beneficial rather than destructive self interests -possessing the inherent unalienable right to self determination and pursuing such historically as evidenced in culture, custom, common law and written law.

It as well is premised upon the concept of the economic free market system -with a twist -call this twist the moral free market system...

Looking at the economic free market system it is a complex system that takes into account the inputs of any number of variables and opinions of participants and provides a real time self correcting output value for goods or services that is considered always right. Price and value determined by the economic free market really has no rational basis one can point to ever having been determined before the fact. What is the rational basis for automobiles with four wheels? What is the rational basis for choosing a meat diet versus a vegan diet? What is the rational basis for flat screen televisions? Further developing on this theme -why is more value given a SUV vehicle than an green electric powered vehicle? Why is more value given a nice steak than a bowl of rice?

Now look at the moral free market -why is marriage between man and woman valued? Is this value assigned to marriage due to some arbitrary, bigoted, and irrational reasoning? Is this a novel idea -experimentation? Historically is this not the case -that society has placed value in marriage between man and woman -this determined by the moral free market as something good by society -something assigned value -something protected, , something advanced, provided privilege, and something rewarded.

Now -who are these people that in essence suggest 'homosexual marriage' is of equivalent value to society -what is their rational basis? If 'homosexual marriage' was a value then where exactly is this evidenced historically? It would seem society has already dismissed the innovation as a failed construct.

What one could surmise is that the homosexual agenda advocates advance a product with no societal value and intend to force society to buy it.

Anyway, I am going to stop here with these initial thoughts -maybe pick up later...

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PostPosted: 08 Dec 2012 07:26 
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dlm wrote:
It should be a slam dunk with the Supreme Court throwing out the judge's personal edict as to no rational basis -in essence, the judge trampled upon religious liberty....


This from a discussion just over two years ago Catholic Online Forum • Anti-Prop. 8 ruling claims Pope teachings ‘harm’ homosexuals:

dlm wrote:
Arwen wrote:
The judge wrote, "Proposition 8 fails to advance any rational basis in singling out gay men and women for denial of a marriage license."


I now work on developing and refining an 'argument' that establishes a rational historical basis for marriage between a man and woman being valued by society. It is but a skeleton of an argument that will require fleshing out which I may do here on this thread -hopefully with input...

Some bullets:

It is premised somewhat upon the natural law concept and as well upon the nature of the individual and mankind to pursue beneficial rather than destructive self interests -possessing the inherent unalienable right to self determination and pursuing such historically as evidenced in culture, custom, common law and written law.

It as well is premised upon the concept of the economic free market system -with a twist -call this twist the moral free market system...

Looking at the economic free market system it is a complex system that takes into account the inputs of any number of variables and opinions of participants and provides a real time self correcting output value for goods or services that is considered always right. Price and value determined by the economic free market really has no rational basis one can point to ever having been determined before the fact. What is the rational basis for automobiles with four wheels? What is the rational basis for choosing a meat diet versus a vegan diet? What is the rational basis for flat screen televisions? Further developing on this theme -why is more value given a SUV vehicle than an green electric powered vehicle? Why is more value given a nice steak than a bowl of rice?

Now look at the moral free market -why is marriage between man and woman valued? Is this value assigned to marriage due to some arbitrary, bigoted, and irrational reasoning? Is this a novel idea -experimentation? Historically is this not the case -that society has placed value in marriage between man and woman -this determined by the moral free market as something good by society -something assigned value -something protected, , something advanced, provided privilege, and something rewarded.

Now -who are these people that in essence suggest 'homosexual marriage' is of equivalent value to society -what is their rational basis? If 'homosexual marriage' was a value then where exactly is this evidenced historically? It would seem society has already dismissed the innovation as a failed construct.

What one could surmise is that the homosexual agenda advocates advance a product with no societal value and intend to force society to buy it.

Anyway, I am going to stop here with these initial thoughts -maybe pick up later...


I wouldn't bet on the SCOTUS after the Roberts ruling on Obamacare, they have lost their moral compass.

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