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PostPosted: 25 Nov 2012 18:05 
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It seems to be contagious

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Parties vowing a referendum on self rule for Catalonia have won massive backing in elections in Spain's north-east.

However, the region's pro-independence leader, Artur Mas - whose party had hoped for an absolute majority in the 135-seat Catalan parliament - will have to share power.

Mr Mas's centre-right Convergence and Union alliance (CiU) won the vote, but its share of the parliamentary seats plunged to 50 from 62.

Left-wing nationalists, the ERC, surged to 21 seats from 10, official results showed, with nearly all votes counted.



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-26/c ... te/4391482

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PostPosted: 25 Nov 2012 19:33 
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Personally I think that everybody who signed such a petition should have their citizenship revoked. That would be one way of granting their wish. :wink:


I am sure there were some in the UK that felt the same way when that pesky Declaration of Independence was published. Of course King George would have non of such talk as I am sure Obama would not because it was and is all about power and coercion over people and it is not about protecting God given individual rights.

Secession? What term would describe the Church no longer participating in the adoption process where they would be forced to adopt children out to homosexual sex practitioners? What term would describe the Church no longer participating in health care where they would be forced to abort innocents? It goes on and on...

Leftists like to ridicule those that oppose them because it is so much easier to laugh and disparage the person rather than discuss head on the principles that premise their opposing opinion.

David, IF you had your wish you might come to see starkly and personally what exactly you seem detached from and blind to.

To all the leftists I say: have a good laugh now at their expense for when they are gone it will soon enough be others laughing at yours...

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PostPosted: 25 Nov 2012 19:46 
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I am sure there were some in the UK that felt the same way when that pesky Declaration of Independence was published.


Impossible. The UK did not yet exist at the time. (The UK came into being with the Act of Union of 1800.) More importantly, those in Britain were not "citizens" (a neologism of the French Revolution) but subjects.

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Of course King George would have non of such talk...


There has been no "King George" since the accession of George II. I take it you are referring to George III, the king against whom the American colonists rebelled.

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Secession? What term would describe the Church no longer participating in the adoption process where they would be forced to adopt children out to homosexual sex practitioners?


Well, certainly not "secession".

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Leftists like to ridicule those that oppose them...


...because sometimes they are very easy to ridicule; and sometimes they simply ridicule themselves.

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PostPosted: 25 Nov 2012 20:43 
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I am sure there were some in the UK that felt the same way when that pesky Declaration of Independence was published.


Impossible. The UK did not yet exist at the time. (The UK came into being with the Act of Union of 1800.) More importantly, those in Britain were not "citizens" (a neologism of the French Revolution) but subjects.

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Of course King George would have non of such talk...


There has been no "King George" since the accession of George II. I take it you are referring to George III, the king against whom the American colonists rebelled.

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Secession? What term would describe the Church no longer participating in the adoption process where they would be forced to adopt children out to homosexual sex practitioners?


Well, certainly not "secession".

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Leftists like to ridicule those that oppose them...


...because sometimes they are very easy to ridicule; and sometimes they simply ridicule themselves.


Since you argue the terms I guess the substance of the points I raise remains uncontested...

One of your methods of 'opposition' is, if nothing else, consistent.

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PostPosted: 26 Nov 2012 15:08 
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Since you argue the terms I guess the substance of the points I raise remains uncontested...


Exactly the opposite: if you can't get so much as very simple factual matters right, what is to be thought of your conclusions?

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This writer has got it all figured out.

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Farewell to Apostate America: Tentative Exit Plan

by Robert Struble, Jr.

President Obama has already appointed two Justices of the U.S. Supreme Court, and he is poised to appoint more. A distinct possibility has emerged that judicial dictatorship will impose “same-sex-marriage” on the entire nation, including the more than three-fourths of the States which have outlawed it. We the people will then have no realistic hope of self-determination within the parameters of the Union.


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In 1973 they foisted abortion on the whole body politic, contrary to the laws enacted in all 50 States prior to Roe v. Wade. If now, under Obama, the Court countermands the great majority of States, and strikes down the definition of marriage dating back to the origins of the human race, then we will have but one recourse short of abject acquiescence, i.e. to subdivide the Union.


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If the black robed usurpers cross the line, and they overtly make war on the “Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God,” then they will be the ones provoking disunion. They will be like the British firing on the minutemen at Lexington, 1775; or like the Mexican dictator of 1836, trespassing on Texans’ rightful domain and besieging the Alamo. Or as with P.G.T. Beauregard and the hotheads assaulting Ft. Sumter in 1861, any blood spilled will be on the heads of the usurpatory “Justices,” as well as the President(s) who appointed them and the Senators who confirmed them.


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Alas, shortly before President John F. Kennedy’s assassination, the Supreme Court repaid our debt of gratitude to God by excluding the good Lord from public schools. Since 1962 the list has lengthened of occasions and places in the public square where Jesus is officially unwelcome.


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At the national level, one objective of partition would be to reassert the principle of political self-determination. Another key aim would be to restore the written U.S. Constitution, a document which at its centennial William Gladstone called, “the most wonderful work ever struck off at a given time by the brain and purpose of man.”

We would keep the Constitution in either case, whether by expelling blue States or by withdrawing to form a new nation. If red States exit the old Union, the Constitution can go with us; because, like air, it is available for all to breathe. Moreover, it’s reinforcement will be key to the success of the experiment, for as Daniel Webster is said to have observed in 1851, a year before his death, “miracles do not cluster and what has happened once in 6,000 years, may not happen again. Hold on to the Constitution….”


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To partition the Union is sufficiently revolutionary! And so, without forsaking the venerable Constitution, our revolutionary purpose should be to reinforce it. Far better to restore the scepter to the written Constitution in a downsized republic, than continue with the Constitution in its diminished form; or indeed let it be emasculated still further by the Supreme Court of the 50 State Union.


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Bedecked in black robes, Federal judges homesteading for life have set themselves up as a standing constitutional convention, minus the ratification requirements in Article V of the written Constitution. Their de facto Amendments have imposed the following:

Militant secularism, abortion, sodomy, pornography, confiscation of private property for corporate benefit, equivalency of international jurisprudence and of citizenship for multinational corporations; and in general, arbitrary legislation that proceeds from an unelected, irremovable, life-tenured oligarchy.


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By endorsing an assault on “the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God,” half the body politic is opting, in effect, to undermine the principles upon which any people is entitled to national sovereignty. In a perverse sort of way, therefore, a national breakup befits their expressed willingness to redefine marriage in opposition to divine and natural law.

Moreover, the reelection of a President who favors the homosexual agenda and promotes abortion, one willing also to persecute the Church, suggests that the current American Union conflicts with the Cardinal Virtue of prudence. Association with States that oppose the ordinances of the Almighty is imprudent for us and for our children and grandchildren simply because safety and folly are innately incompatible.


The writer also gives examples in history of nations that split and later reconciled for the better. A very thought-provoking read. More HERE

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