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PostPosted: 07 Nov 2012 12:09 
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Everybody is focused on the Presidential race, but there were a lot of other races and issues in the mix.

  • Washington and Colorado legalized marijuana.
  • Massachusetts legalized medical marijuana.
  • Michelle Bachmann held onto her MN congressional seat with a 1% margin.
  • Dems held onto the Senate, Republicans held onto the House.
  • CA voted to approve the legislative redistricting drawn up by a non-partisan citizens committee.
  • In CA, after redistricting Dems grabbed a majority in both houses of the state legislature.
  • CA rejected the mandatory labeling of GMO foods.
  • CA voted to keep the death penalty.
  • CA voted to strengthen criminal laws against human trafficking.
  • Two controversial senate candidates lost their races. In MO Todd Akin lost and Richard Mourdock lost in Indiana
  • NH became the first state to have an all female congressional delegation and a female governor.
  • There will be 19 female US Senators, the most in history.

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LASaxman wrote:
Everybody is focused on the Presidential race, but there were a lot of other races and issues in the mix.


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[*]Washington and Colorado legalized marijuana.


Yea! Always thought criminalizing it was stupid, if it's legal you can tax it.

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[*]Massachusetts legalized medical marijuana.


Also good.


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[*]Michelle Bachmann held onto her MN congressional seat with a 1% margin.


Amazing


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[*]Dems held onto the Senate, Republicans held onto the House.


So Nationally we accomplished nothing.

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*]CA voted to approve the legislative redistricting drawn up by a non-partisan citizens committee.


Ok, I have no Idea what that is about but ok

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[*]In CA, after redistricting Dems grabbed a majority in both houses of the state legislature.


They didn't already have them?


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[*]CA rejected the mandatory labeling of GMO foods.

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[*]CA voted to keep the death penalty.


Okay

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[*]CA voted to strengthen criminal laws against human trafficking.


Enforcement would be better
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[*]Two controversial senate candidates lost their races. In MO Todd Akin lost and Richard Mourdock lost in Indiana


That was no surprise.

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[*]NH became the first state to have an all female congressional delegation and a female governor.


I heard that last night.


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[*]There will be 19 female US Senators, the most in history.


I didn't know that

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Every single person and issue I voted for yesterday was defeated, except the County Sheriff and he was unopposed.

I was like the black thumb of elections

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Every single person and issue I voted for yesterday was defeated, except the County Sheriff and he was unopposed.

I was like the black thumb of elections


At least the proposals that special interests tried to ram into our Constitution were defeated - all of them:

Prop 2: To enshrine collective bargaining into the Constitution
Prop 3: To enshrine a requirement that 25% of our power be derived from renewable resources by 2025
Prop 4: To enshrine mandatory unionization for home healthcare workers
Prop 5: To enshrine the requirement for a 2/3s vote in both houses of our legislature to raise taxes
Prop 6: To enshrine a requirement that any proposed international bridge using public funds be put to a vote of the people

About the only thing I would have liked to see is a Proposition to make it more difficult to get propositions on the ballot. Such narrow provisions have no place in our Constitution.

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Maine referendum question approved same sex marriage,
on the 3,424th attempt.
Now it will become law.

:( [] :( [] :( [] :( [] :( [] :( []

Anybody know a sane country to move to? :(

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Maine referendum question approved same sex marriage,
on the 3,424th attempt.
Now it will become law.

:( [] :( [] :( [] :( [] :( [] :( []

Anybody know a sane country to move to? :(


I am actually considering it. I'm looking for pro-life, RC, low taxes, not hot/humid. Ideas? (Serious question)

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Texas?

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I am actually considering it. I'm looking for pro-life, RC, low taxes, not hot/humid. Ideas?


North Georgia, Western N. Carolina might fit your needs.

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Texas?



1. Italian community?

2. Green (farm) areas (not in path if hurricanes)?

@ next post: Italians there?

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Anybody know a sane country to move to? :(

Jamaica? Uganda?

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I am seriously considering that. But maybe Texas should cessede from the union first. :wink:

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Texas?

I am seriously considering that. But maybe Texas should cessede from the union first. :wink:

I think they tried that once or twice.

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Lou,

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I'm looking for pro-life, RC, low taxes, not hot/humid. Ideas?


I'm guessing one out of four won't do.

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1. Italian community?

2. Green (farm) areas (not in path of hurricanes)?



That we can do. (Well, sort of brownish-green farms... mostly.)

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Initiatives to legalise gay marriage were also taken to the ballot in a number of states to mixed results.

Television networks forecasted (sic) the approval of gay marriage laws in Maryland state, while Maine and Washington look set to pass similar initiatives.

With 93 per cent of votes counted in Maryland, 52 per cent of voters back legalisation of same-sex marriage.

In Maine, CNN reported 54 per cent in favour after 54 per cent of votes were counted.

Washington state also appeared set to approve the measure, with 52 per cent of voters supporting the measure after 50 per cent of votes were counted.

Same-sex marriage is not federally recognised, but before Tuesday it was already legal in a number of states - including Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New York, Vermont and the District of Columbia.

Gay marriage remains constitutionally banned in 31 US states.



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-07/v ... on/4359494

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I'm looking for pro-life, RC, low taxes, not hot/humid. Ideas?


I'm guessing one out of four won't do.

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1. Italian community?

2. Green (farm) areas (not in path of hurricanes)?



That we can do. (Well, sort of brownish-green farms... mostly.)


What is the jobs situation and how amenable is Australia to immigration?

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My parents considered moving to Australia back when they had some sort of homestead program going on.

When I mention that around the house now, our two daughters who love boys with Australian accents get really upset.

What is the home school environment like?

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Do you really think that there is anywhere in the entire world, much less anywhere that speaks English as a first language, that is more conservative on the whole the United States of America ?

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P. S. Bob, I wanted you to know that I dictated that entire message on my phone. And the only mistake it made what did it did not include the word than.

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Do you really think that there is anywhere in the entire world, much less anywhere that speaks English as a first language, that is more conservative on the whole the United States of America ?


The Vatican ? :P

Nepal. Hasn't changed in four thousand years. :z

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Do you really think that there is anywhere in the entire world, much less anywhere that speaks English as a first language, that is more conservative on the whole the United States of America ?


No, I don't. However, if we're going to slide into a moral quagmire, and the slide looks inevitable, a moral quagmire where the economy is doing better, where there is less racial strife, and where there is less political stalemate begins to look more attractive than the moral quagmire in which I'm currently living. If I lose my job because, among other things, the economy continues to be held hostage to political stalemate and conflict, where am I going to go in this country?

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Who_started_this? wrote:
Maine referendum question approved same sex marriage,
on the 3,424th attempt.
Now it will become law.

:( [] :( [] :( [] :( [] :( [] :( []

Anybody know a sane country to move to? :(


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Don't know much about Uganda. But Jamaica is very humid and subject to severe hurricanes.

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P. S. Bob, I wanted you to know that I dictated that entire message on my phone. And the only mistake it made what did it did not include the word than.


Jeff, I assume you intended that for me. The W7 SW with a headset/mic combo isn't all that successful so far but I'm not ready to fork over the expense of a smart-phone and monthly fee to solve the problem. I suspect I might have to speak more slowly and/or improve my diction. Still time to work the problem before a solution is an absolute necessity.

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P. S. Bob, I wanted you to know that I dictated that entire message on my phone. And the only mistake it made what did it did not include the word than.


Jeff, I assume you intended that for me. The W7 SW with a headset/mic combo isn't all that successful so far but I'm not ready to fork over the expense of a smart-phone and monthly fee to solve the problem. I suspect I might have to speak more slowly and/or improve my diction. Still time to work the problem before a solution is an absolute necessity.

It was.

I wasn't suggesting you do so. I just found it interesting that I was able to do that. It's not perfect. I never could make it understand "than". But I found it interesting and somewhat amusing honestly.

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Do you really think that there is anywhere in the entire world, much less anywhere that speaks English as a first language, that is more conservative on the whole the United States of America ?


No, I don't. However, if we're going to slide into a moral quagmire, and the slide looks inevitable, a moral quagmire where the economy is doing better, where there is less racial strife, and where there is less political stalemate begins to look more attractive than the moral quagmire in which I'm currently living. If I lose my job because, among other things, the economy continues to be held hostage to political stalemate and conflict, where am I going to go in this country?

Dean,

I suspect some of this is emotional fallout from the election, but I'm not sure the grass is any greener anywhere else.

You seem to be concerned about moral quagmire, economic prosperity, and political stalemate, right?

When you say quagmire do you mean the fight or the results? Because I can be reasonably assured that everywhere else is morally worse than we are, as far as their laws go.

Economic prosperity? Some are doing a bit better, but I think on the whole the US is not that badly off compared to most other first world nations. (measured by such things as unemployment, GDP per capita, government debt per GDP, and consumer debt per GDP).

Political stalemate? Again, I don't think you'll find anywhere any better. We probably would have moral issues voting for nearly anyone in most of the First World democracies.

Perhaps I'm showing my ignorance. Perhaps James can enlighten us a bit.

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Jeff,

The quickest way to get me angry is to imply that I am emotional. :)

No, it is something I have been thinking about for a few years now, since at least 2008.

Australia is out of the question. I ask questions about Australia out of curiosity.

I am reasonably familiar with Canada, however, being that a good portion of my wife's family lives there. I would move there for job opportunity if I had to.

We'll see what happens in the next 4 years, but I really do not believe we are that far behind Canada when it comes to official promotion of sexual hedonism and abortion. Any gap there is will close significantly in the next 4 years.

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Don't know much about Uganda. But Jamaica is very humid and subject to severe hurricanes.

Well, there is not much chance that same sex marriage will be approved in either place.

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P. S. Bob, I wanted you to know that I dictated that entire message on my phone. And the only mistake it made what did it did not include the word than.


Jeff, I assume you intended that for me. The W7 SW with a headset/mic combo isn't all that successful so far but I'm not ready to fork over the expense of a smart-phone and monthly fee to solve the problem. I suspect I might have to speak more slowly and/or improve my diction. Still time to work the problem before a solution is an absolute necessity.

It was.

I wasn't suggesting you do so. I just found it interesting that I was able to do that. It's not perfect. I never could make it understand "than". But I found it interesting and somewhat amusing honestly.


Subject for another forum category perhaps but it is interesting that the SW designed for the job does poorly compared to a method that incidentally does the job! I have been working with W7 and am getting some better results, still a lot of corrections, at least most are simple to make.

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Another result: Massachusetts rejected physician-assisted suicide (just barely - a margin of 51% to 49%)

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What is the jobs situation and how amenable is Australia to immigration?


Unemployment is at 5.4%

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/6202.0

Immigration varies. It's relatively easy if you're a tradesman with a skill that's in demand.

http://www.immi.gov.au/immigration/

It's very easily done if you want to set up your own business and bring the money with you.

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The Business Innovation and Investment program is designed to increase entrepreneurial talent and diversify business expertise in Australia. It is positioned to target migrants that have a demonstrated history of success in innovation and business and are able to make a significant contribution to the national innovation system and to the Australian economy.

The objectives of the Business Innovation and Investment Program are to contribute to the growth of the Australian economy by:

•generating employment
•increasing the export of Australian goods and services
•increasing the production of goods and services in Australia
•introducing new or improved technology
•increasing competition and commercial activity
•developing links with international markets
•increasing the dispersal of business migrants across Australia through state and territory government sponsorship.



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Do you really think that there is anywhere in the entire world, much less anywhere that speaks English as a first language, that is more conservative on the whole the United States of America ?


The Vatican ? :P

Nepal. Hasn't changed in four thousand years. :z



I'd no idea English was the first language in the Vatican or in Nepal.

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Perhaps I'm showing my ignorance. Perhaps James can enlighten us a bit.



Sadly, you're right.

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CA voted to approve the legislative redistricting drawn up by a non-partisan citizens committee.

Ok, I have no Idea what that is about but ok

Recently (a couple of years ago) Californians voted to take redistricting out of the hands of politicians and have it done by a non-partisan citizens' committee. I briefly toyed with the idea of being on that committee, even applied and went through the first stage of the selection process. But I ultimately decided I was not willing to donate the amount time and effort required.

Anyway, this was the first election since the redistricting. It, along with a change in the primary rules, produced some strange results. For instance, locally we had two incumbent Democratic congressmen (Sherman & Berman :)) running against each other. That campaign was pretty contentious, even though they both had almost identical policy views.

I'm not sure why it was put on the ballot for the voters to approve the redistricting. Maybe somebody was hoping it would be overturned and the power to draw the lines returned to the legislature.

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The people of Washington state passed the referendum to legalize the sale of marijuana for "recreational" use; not just medicinal marijuana.

I'm concerned about the young people who, though not able to buy it directly, will still have greatly increased access to it. I smoked a moderate amount of it when I was in my late teens/early twenties back in the 60's/70's, and it wasn't a good thing for my life. The liklehood that more young people will have easier access to marijauna is an outcome of this law that apparently the voters didn't really care about.

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The people of Washington state passed the referendum to legalize the sale of marijuana for "recreational" use; not just medicinal marijuana.

I'm concerned about the young people who, though not able to buy it directly, will still have greatly increased access to it. I smoked a moderate amount of it when I was in my late teens/early twenties back in the 60's/70's, and it wasn't a good thing for my life. The liklehood that more young people will have easier access to marijauna is an outcome of this law that apparently the voters didn't really care about.


The way I see this is that most of those people have unlimited access to all the pot they want. If it is legal it can be regulated and taxed.

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Oh, and if anyone is paying attention, Florida finally finished counting the votes. Obama won.

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Oh, and if anyone is paying attention, Florida finally finished counting the votes. Obama won.

Recount!!!!! :( []

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Oh, and if anyone is paying attention, Florida finally finished counting the votes. Obama won.

Recount!!!!! :( []


As the bowl of petunias said, "Oh, no, not again".

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Oh, and if anyone is paying attention, Florida finally finished counting the votes. Obama won.

Recount!!!!! :( []


As the bowl of petunias said, "Oh, no, not again".

I love it, James. :-)

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As the bowl of petunias said, "Oh, no, not again".

I love it, James. :-)

That one needs to be explained to me. :?:

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PostPosted: 10 Nov 2012 19:36 
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The people of Washington state passed the referendum to legalize the sale of marijuana for "recreational" use; not just medicinal marijuana.

I'm concerned about the young people who, though not able to buy it directly, will still have greatly increased access to it. I smoked a moderate amount of it when I was in my late teens/early twenties back in the 60's/70's, and it wasn't a good thing for my life. The liklehood that more young people will have easier access to marijauna is an outcome of this law that apparently the voters didn't really care about.


Does the moral decay and decadence of the Weimar Republic ring a bell?

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Oh, and if anyone is paying attention, Florida finally finished counting the votes. Obama won.

Recount!!!!! :( []


Actually under Florida Law, there will be mandatory recounts in many races. Everyone is laughing over this, but the citizens of Florida know that every last ballot cast was counted, can you really say that about your state?

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The people of Washington state passed the referendum to legalize the sale of marijuana for "recreational" use; not just medicinal marijuana.

I'm concerned about the young people who, though not able to buy it directly, will still have greatly increased access to it. I smoked a moderate amount of it when I was in my late teens/early twenties back in the 60's/70's, and it wasn't a good thing for my life. The liklehood that more young people will have easier access to marijauna is an outcome of this law that apparently the voters didn't really care about.


The way I see this is that most of those people have unlimited access to all the pot they want. If it is legal it can be regulated and taxed.


So Bob, you don't think access to marijuana will now be considerably easier for young people with this legalization? When I was young it required some doing to get marijuana, even if you knew someone who might have access to it. With the new law it will be as easy as a short hop down to the convenience store.

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Does the moral decay and decadence of the Weimar Republic ring a bell?



Not making a connection.

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So Bob, you don't think access to marijuana will now be considerably easier for young people with this legalization? When I was young it required some doing to get marijuana, even if you knew someone who might have access to it. With the new law it will be as easy as a short hop down to the convenience store.


No I really don't. It's pretty easy to get around here, or so I'm told. It's not my thing. If it is legal you can regulate it, tax it and decide who can legally sell it.

Legalization should put a crimp in the Smuggling operations, and we can actually put Customs and the USCG back to what they should be doing.

And lastly these young people who get busted wind up with a criminal record for what?

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So Bob, you don't think access to marijuana will now be considerably easier for young people with this legalization? When I was young it required some doing to get marijuana, even if you knew someone who might have access to it. With the new law it will be as easy as a short hop down to the convenience store.


No I really don't. It's pretty easy to get around here, or so I'm told. It's not my thing. If it is legal you can regulate it, tax it and decide who can legally sell it.

Legalization should put a crimp in the Smuggling operations, and we can actually put Customs and the USCG back to what they should be doing.

And lastly these young people who get busted wind up with a criminal record for what?


That all sounds great until you begin to consider the intoxicating effects on driving, flying or any number of actions requiring one's full attention. Colorado just passed a legalization of recreational pot, already legalized medical pot but have not as yet come up with a method for the police to judge impairment. Employers who perform random drug testing are literally hung out to dry on this issue not knowing if or when they will be sued by an employee or which side the courts will uphold. The state has set itself in direct opposition to the federal drug laws, I can't wait to see how that works out; it will be a turkey shoot any time the DEA feels like enforcing their law. Not only stupid but highly dangerous. I guess if the mob persistently disobeys the law the law will simply go away! What's next?

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Does the moral decay and decadence of the Weimar Republic ring a bell?



Not making a connection.


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The Weimar Republic is the name given by historians to the federal republic and parliamentary representative democracy established in 1919 in Germany to replace the imperial form of government. It was named after Weimar, the city where the constitutional assembly took place.

Following World War I, the republic emerged from the German Revolution in November 1918. In 1919, a national assembly was convened in Weimar, where a new constitution for the German Reich was written, then adopted on 11 August of that same year. The ensuing period of liberal democracy lapsed in the early 1930s, leading to the ascent of the nascent Nazi Party and Adolf Hitler in 1933. The legal measures taken by the Nazi government in February and March 1933, commonly known as Gleichschaltung ("coordination") meant that the government could legislate contrary to the constitution. The republic nominally continued to exist until 1945, as the constitution was never formally repealed. However, the measures taken by the Nazis in the early part of their rule rendered the constitution irrelevant. Thus, 1933 is usually seen as the end of the Weimar Republic and the beginning of Hitler's Third Reich.


Many similarities...

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I knew what the Weimar Republic was, just not sure what connection you were making.

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Anyway, this was the first election since the redistricting. It, along with a change in the primary rules, produced some strange results. For instance, locally we had two incumbent Democratic congressmen (Sherman & Berman :)) running against each other. That campaign was pretty contentious, even though they both had almost identical policy views.


They both earned my personal vote for most annoying candidates in terms of all those political flyers they both put out. I also had several phone calls and two persons come to my door. I don't know why they think that I'll change my vote if they just keep sending pretty flyers.

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