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PostPosted: 18 Feb 2013 07:54 
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Every sentence is a classic of shallow thinking.
I would need months to write something matching this.

Portland ( Maine ) Press Herald, Feb 18
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http://www.pressherald.com/opinion/letters/church-puts-power-in-the-wrong-hands_2013-02-18.html

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Letters to the editor: Church puts power in the wrong hands
Benedict XVI's resignation frustrates my plan for an online petition demanding it.
[ He should put a manifesto on Facebook like Dohner. :P ]

Two grounds: The Vatican curia's and Paul VI's thwarting of Vatican II reform implementation procedures have allowed John Paul II's and Benedict XVI's major undoing of Second Vatican Council reforms and what hundreds of theologians have long agreed is a Vatican schism.

Where the council reaffirmed that the pope rules in concert with fellow bishops and with respect for the sense of the faithful, for John Paul II and Benedict XVI the Holy Spirit speaks only to the pope and his curia.

Council reform of the liturgy, approved almost unanimously, is steadily reversed, even to incompetent and unprayable missal translations. Ecumenism has stalled. Engaging the world's great moral challenges has shrunk to pelvic preoccupations. The nuns' Gospel witness is disobedience!

Only yes-men become bishops. Every Vatican whim is law. Indefensible Galileo postures -- on married and women priests, feminism, contraception, divorce and remarriage, and sexual identity -- are requisite. Primacy of conscience is now obedience. Pray, pay and obey or get out. Where the council called for hope, trust,and collaboration, fear rules.

Second, neither John Paul II nor Benedict XVI has declared that meeting the needs of the tens of thousands of victims of clergy and religious sex abuse must, in justice and conformity with the Gospel, take precedence over the church patriarchy's image, protection of bishops' and priests' reputations, immunity of the ordained from accountability, and hanging on to church wealth.

Benedict XVI dismissed the need for healing of 200 abused deaf Milwaukee children to honor their abuser's wish to die without judgment. This abandonment of abuse victims alone disqualifies John Paul II for canonization and disqualifies Benedict XVI to be pope. He and complicit bishops and cardinals must go -- for cause, not incapacity.

Before going, Benedict XVI must change the papal election process to minimize the power of sexist yes-men cardinals by giving a majority vote to elected priests, religious and laity. [ Yeah. The Holy Spirit has really been doing a lousy job lately. :P ]

William H. Slavick

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PostPosted: 18 Feb 2013 08:29 
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Yeah, his resignation has really turned the crazies loose. There was a letter to the editor in one of my morning papers that got into Card. Ratzinger being the head of the Inquisition. :( [] :( [] :( [] :( [] :( []

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I know we are not supposed to post emails or stuff from other forums. Are letters to the editor OK?

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BobC wrote:
got into Card. Ratzinger being the head of the Inquisition. :( [] :( [] :( [] :( [] :( []


Bob C,
He was prefect of the Congregation the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), formerly called Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office (or simply, the "Holy Office") which was previously known as the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition.

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"From the bottom of the barrel in shallow thinking" sounds far too deep! Perhaps it comes from the outer reaches of the flan pan of shallow thinking?

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I know we are not supposed to post emails or stuff from other forums. Are letters to the editor OK?


Newspapers say letters to the editor become the property of the newspaper. In other words, the newspaper is free to print the letters. So the letter writer gives up copyright rights.

Likewise, columnists quote each other liberally. ( although no newspaper would tolerate a columnist copying another columnist's piece in toto except by pre-arrangement )

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I know we are not supposed to post emails or stuff from other forums. Are letters to the editor OK?


Newspapers say letters to the editor become the property of the newspaper. In other words, the newspaper is free to print the letters. So the letter writer gives up copyright rights.

Which would mean, would it not, that one would have to get permission from the newspaper before publishing that letter elsewhere?

I suspect that most of us — and certainly, that would include me — violate someone's right to intellectual property more frequently than we realize.

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Norman,

I was thinking not so much of copyright as COL policy.

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PostPosted: 18 Feb 2013 15:06 
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Why are we drawing attention to this drivel?

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retsinab wrote:
Who_started_this? wrote:
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I know we are not supposed to post emails or stuff from other forums. Are letters to the editor OK?


Newspapers say letters to the editor become the property of the newspaper. In other words, the newspaper is free to print the letters. So the letter writer gives up copyright rights.

Which would mean, would it not, that one would have to get permission from the newspaper before publishing that letter elsewhere?

I suspect that most of us — and certainly, that would include me — violate someone's right to intellectual property more frequently than we realize.


Not too sure citing a newspaper column is the same as pilfering intellectual property, provided proper references are given. I've attended technical conferences and heard my work cited or referenced in presentations by others, always with proper credit due either in the footnotes or concurrent with the citation and never considered that wrong in fact it was a source of pride. I think when we make public statements, especially in print, we not only expect to be quoted but probably look forward to the expanded coverage.

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Why are we drawing attention to this drivel?


When I was sixteen, I might have believed this drivel. After all, it must be true if it's in the newspaper. Right?

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Who_started_this? wrote:
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Why are we drawing attention to this drivel?


When I was sixteen, I might have believed this drivel. After all, it must be true if it's in the newspaper. Right?

Wrong, because these days young people do not read newspapers.

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I can't speak for all the mods, but from where I'm sitting, this letter is public, and the citation is given.

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this letter is public


The newspaper will never print it again, and the letter writer has given up ownership of the letter to the newspaper when he submitted it. The letter is "dead". Nobody can make money out of it.
Who's going to complain if I post it here?

( columnists make money from their columns, so that's different )

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I'm surprised the term "intellectual property" was even brought up in association with this letter. "Intellectual" it's not.

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IMO,

If someone writes a letter to the editor they expect (or hope) it will be printed thus making it public information.

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If someone writes a letter to the editor they expect (or hope) it will be printed thus making it public information.



There is a special class of letter to the editor called an open letter. It is usually addressed to a politician or other important official with the intention of bringing political or social pressure on him for his wrong ways:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_letter

A letter to the editor is an open letter I'd think.
The wikipedia article makes reference to famous open letters of Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Martin Luther King and others.

One that's particularly interesting and that they had us read in high school as an example of intelligent writing is the famous open letter of Robert Louis Stevenson to a Rev. Hyde ( that ain't a typo! ) of Honolulu who wrote the following idiotic remarks about Father Damien:

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"Dear Brother, - In answer to your inquires about Father Damien, I
can only reply that we who knew the man are surprised at the
extravagant newspaper laudations, as if he was a most saintly
philanthropist. The simple truth is, he was a coarse, dirty man,
headstrong and bigoted. He was not sent to Molokai, but went there
without orders; did not stay at the leper settlement (before he
became one himself), but circulated freely over the whole island
(less than half the island is devoted to the lepers), and he came
often to Honolulu. He had no hand in the reforms and improvements
inaugurated, which were the work of our Board of Health, as
occasion required and means were provided. He was not a pure man
in his relations with women, and the leprosy of which he died
should be attributed to his vices and carelessness. Other have
done much for the lepers, our own ministers, the government
physicians, and so forth, but never with the Catholic idea of
meriting eternal life. - Yours, etc.,
"C. M. HYDE" (1)

(1) From the Sydney PRESBYTERIAN, October 26, 1889.


Stevenson replied as follows:
http://www.fullbooks.com/Father-Damien.html

If you enjoy seeing some idiot slammed by a knowledgeable person,
read Stevenson's response ! :wink: :P

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