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James Daly

"It is the Lord." (Jn 21:7)

James,

Do you have an opinion on it? To be honest, I'm not sure I understand the Marian apparitions or believe in them. I go back and forth. A friend who is quite devoted to our Lady (in fact it was a big reason she converted to Catholicism) once said she didn't care what the commission decided, she knew it was true and honestly, I don't get that.

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Valerie Garcia
vals1990@yahoo.com

"Listen, O my son, to the precepts of thy master, and incline the ear of thy heart, and cheerfully receive and faithfully execute the admonitions of thy loving Father, that by the toil of obedience thou mayest return to Him ....." St. Benedict

Val,

I'm in two minds. For a Marian apparition to continue over such a long period of time is unheard of. But then, so what? Who are we to tell Our Lady when or how often to appear? Then there are the miracles. And then there is the very unsavoury character of many in the anti-Medjugorje crowd.

On balance, I think I'm more inclined to believe than not. But we don't have a firm answer on this. Until then, I await Rome's answer.

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James Daly

"It is the Lord." (Jn 21:7)

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Pax et Bonum


Schultzz

There have been at least 61 Church investigated and approved medical cure miracles associated with Lourdes.

So now Heaven's priority is bird singing?

Why not Church approved medical miracles at Medjugorje?
I'm not talking about pilgrims's claims of miraculous cures. There are always thousands of those. I'm talking about miracles fully investigated and approved by the Church.


Until somebody tells me why not, I remain skeptical.

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Norman
...that is the regret of a lot of old people when they look back and realize too late what might have been.
This was what President Martin regretted. He thought he was doing something good. It was a disaster. How can anybody know what is the right thing to do?
-- Theresa

Healthy skepticism is good. If you were ever there though you might have had some experiences which spoke louder than just second hand info. I was merely relating what my experience was. You don't have to accept it, you don't have to believe it, you don't even have to read it. I am awaiting the official word from the magisterium as are others.



I think your comment is for the birds.

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Pax et Bonum


Schultzz

The most widely publicized healing is probably that of Rita Klaus of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania USA, a teacher and mother of three children. She was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis at the age of 20, not long after her graduation. For 26 years, she suffered from multiple sclerosis. Neither doctors nor medicine were able to help her. By 1986, she had blurred vision and periodic incontinence and had to spend nearly all her waking hours in a wheelchair. As her leg muscles degenerated, her legs began to warp - inward at the knee, outward at the ankle. She could not even sit in her wheelchair without buckling her lower limbs into steel braces. She heard about Medjugorje in early 1986 an started praying to the Mother of God. On the evening of June 18 that year, while she was praying the rosary, she felt an electric jolt running through her entire body. The next morning, she could feel sensation in her legs again. That evening, she could walk without assistance. On the following day, she walked more than a mile to the house of her friend who told her about Medjugorje.


I personally know this woman, have spoken with her, and know that her miracle was real. You might be able to fake a lot of things, but straightening curved atrophied bones? Once again, there are many who doubt the authenticity of Medjugorge and I find no fault with them. There are at least six other miraculous healings which I know of that are associated with Medjugorge. How can one dismiss the fruits and ignore them? The fruits do not determine whether or not the shrine is legitimate but they lend lots of credibility to the claims. Let us wait for the determination of the committee formed by our current Pope. Until then remain skeptical if you wish.

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Pax et Bonum


Schultzz

Patience is needed; the Church moves very cautiously in these matters, rightfully so. Pray the truth, whatever it is, is revealed to the Church keeping in mind how difficult it can be both to prove and disprove these cases.

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BobA

This is true.

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Pax et Bonum


Schultzz

One of the popes [Urban??] said that, if an unproven apparition asks you to do something good, you should do it. If the apparition is valid, you have followed instructions. If the apparition is not valid, you have still done something meritorious.

Here we are asked to Repent, Fast, Pray and do Penance. Pope John Paul commented that there is nothing wrong in doing that. Maybe if we had spent the last thirty years doing that, instead of arguing over the validity of the apparition, we would be in a better situation today.

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- Joe Kelley

Death is only a shadow across the path to Heaven.

I think the issue is not in the instructions given but in the official validation by the Church of a miraculous apparition. The instructions, while truly Catholic do not necessarily have had to come from a miraculous apparition.

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BobA

The Medjugorge message is the same as Fatima. Fatima has been approved as have other shrines. Hopefully we will know more when the information is (leaked), I am sure. I think much good has come from the prayer groups which started as a result of pilgrims visiting Medjugorge. Whatever the Church decides is fine with me and with all respect due the original Bishop who initially was in favor of the events, but later changed his mind has to be an incredible precedent for the Magisterium. They took it out of the hands of the local Bishop and put it in several different commissions to further the research for the question of validity. There has to be good reasons for this even though we do not at this time know what they are. That, to me, is incredible and leads me to believe along with my personal experiences there that the old saying about the duck's abilities is true.

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Pax et Bonum


Schultzz

Understanding how slowly the Church moves in these matters, I hope I live long enough to see it resolved. Years ago someone gave me a rosary from Medjugorge but I haven't had it blessed yet, I keep with my several other "special" rosaries.

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BobA