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However, I would ask, what exactly is "end-of-life counseling," and how is it meant to benefit the patient, which is what I thought this (un)"Godly" bill was supposed to do for all of us?

"end of life counseling", as we discussed when HR 3100 or whatever it was was the prototype for reform, is discussion of the options a patient has for directing their own care if they are incapacitated.

The doctor would discuss with the patient "This is what a living will is. This is what a medical power of attorney does. If you are incapacitated this way, this is how this would play out. If you are unable to make decisions for that reason, this document comes into play. This is how you can make your will known to those who will be forced to make these decisions."

And the plans associated with this health care reform would cover consultations with doctors to discuss such issues. That's what this is designed to do. Doctors cannot help but insert their own concerns and preferences into such discussions, but at least they'd be covered by insurance, rather than our elderly worrying that they can't make time to talk to doctors about them without getting charged for another visit.

"End of life counseling" does not mean they decide how much they're going to pay for your medical care. That may well be covered in another element of this health care reform, but that's not what's at issue here.

Of course, part of the problem is that no one is actually quoting or referencing specific documents, so we can't read the actual legislation and rules, but that's what it was a year ago when we were discussing this.

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Really? Hmm. It seems to me that doctors are not the qualified individuals to cover the options for directing one's own care in the event one is incapacitated. I would think a lawyer and a minister would be better qualified.

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Part of the point in raising 'death panels' is the question - is this something we want government to be actively engaged in, deciding and determining in law what is or isn't covered?

Indeed, a major question. In the case of the health care reform, only the MINIMUM required coverage for a plan to qualify is determined by either legislation or regulation, not the maximum. The government will not, at least now, be saying "plans in the marketplace CANNOT cover _". So one can always choose a plan which DOES cover such things...at your own (possibly increased) cost.

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Really? Hmm. It seems to me that doctors are not the qualified individuals to cover the options for directing one's own care in the event one is incapacitated. I would think a lawyer and a minister would be better qualified.

I agree. But lawyers cost and ministers are not always available or desired. Either way, that's what the objective is in "end of life counseling", not "counseling you about ending your life."

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Really? Hmm. It seems to me that doctors are not the qualified individuals to cover the options for directing one's own care in the event one is incapacitated. I would think a lawyer and a minister would be better qualified.

I agree. But lawyers cost and ministers are not always available or desired. Either way, that's what the objective is in "end of life counseling", not "counseling you about ending your life."


Perhaps, but I believe it is a foot in the door, opening to more direct assaults on the costly, not to mention an extra burden on doctors. I do not trust this administration, nor do I trust it will be vigilant in watching over the rules that are drafted for administering this monstrosity, just as it wasn't especially vigilant over federal abortion language that would have been introduced into policy but were yanked because of outside scrutiny and publicity.

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Really? Hmm. It seems to me that doctors are not the qualified individuals to cover the options for directing one's own care in the event one is incapacitated. I would think a lawyer and a minister would be better qualified.

I agree. But lawyers cost and ministers are not always available or desired. Either way, that's what the objective is in "end of life counseling", not "counseling you about ending your life."


During and just after the Terri Shiavo case I read and saw much. Some was in regard to how written directives are not a good idea in all but exceptional cases. The general consensus was that simply naming a trusted power of attorney that would represent you in your stead would be truly the best way to have your wishes, potential future situational landscape unknown, be carried out. Doing this, assuming your choice is good, would in essence stick a cork in any devil's advocates' mouths and leave evil with no standing...

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Part of the point in raising 'death panels' is the question - is this something we want government to be actively engaged in, deciding and determining in law what is or isn't covered?

Indeed, a major question. In the case of the health care reform, only the MINIMUM required coverage for a plan to qualify is determined by either legislation or regulation, not the maximum. The government will not, at least now, be saying "plans in the marketplace CANNOT cover _". So one can always choose a plan which DOES cover such things...at your own (possibly increased) cost.
Jeff,

That's perhaps largely true in what ultimately passed, but not entirely. For some perspective on the debate at the time, there was a lot of back and forth over single payer or advancing a government option alongside exchanges. Any health care plan will cover some things and not others, including government plans. The major concern is with a government only plan or one where government crowds out private insurance, the country would be moving further and further in the direction of government deciding for more and more people, what is and isn't covered - literally, by panel or committee. In August of 2009, when Sarah Palin made the 'death panel' comment, this was still being hotly debated. Baucus didn't release his bill from committee until mid-to-late-September 2009. The Senate "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act" bill wasn't released until mid-to-late-November 2009. The final bill didn't become law until March 2010. http://finance.senate.gov/issue/?id=32b ... 5215c1ba65

Leading up to the act, part of the stimulus package created a kind of government health care information clearing house which would be used to advance the digitization of health care information, but also would be used to analyze health care practice and make recommendations going forward on efficacy. See here part of that vision from the Obama campaign, my emphasis added:
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Both public and private insurers tend to pay providers based on the volume of services provided, rather than the quality or effectiveness of care.21 Barack Obama and Joe Biden will accelerate efforts to develop and disseminate best practices, and align reimbursement with provision of high quality health care. Providers who see patients enrolled in the new public plan, the National Health Insurance Exchange, Medicare and FEHB will be rewarded for achieving performance thresholds on physician-validated outcome measures.
This is government directing the practice of medicine based on what it determines to be best for the patient and paying doctors accordingly.
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One of the keys to eliminating waste and missed opportunities is to increase our investment in comparative effectiveness reviews and research. This information is developed by reviewing existing literature, analyzing electronic health care data, and conducting simple, real world studies of new technologies. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will establish an independent institute to guide reviews and research on comparative effectiveness, so that Americans and their doctors will have accurate and objective information to make the best decisions for their health and well-being.
This is government directing the research to define and refine the practice of medicine, which will direct care based on disseminated best practices - with an eye toward cutting costs.
barackobama.com wrote:
Over seventy-five percent of total health care dollars are spent on patients with one or more chronic conditions, such as diabetes, heart disease, and high blood pressure.15 Many patients with chronic diseases benefit greatly from disease management programs, which help patients manage their condition and get the care they need.16 Barack Obama and Joe Biden will require that plans that participate in the new public plan, Medicare or the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) utilize proven disease management programs. This will improve quality of care and lower costs, as well.
This is government directly requiring or defining which treatment plans will be permitted.
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Although all Americans are affected by problems with our health care delivery system, an overwhelming body of evidence demonstrates that certain populations are significantly more likely to receive lower quality health care than others. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will tackle the root causes of health disparities by addressing differences in access to health coverage and promoting prevention and public health, both of which play a major role in addressing disparities. They will also challenge the medical system to eliminate inequities in health care by requiring hospitals and health plans to collect, analyze and report health care quality for disparity populations and holding them accountable for any differences found; diversifying the workforce to ensure culturally effective care; implementing and funding evidence-based interventions, such as patient navigator programs; and supporting and expanding the capacity of safety-net institutions, which provide a disproportionate amount of care for underserved populations with inadequate funding and technical resources.
This is government actively collecting data to hold the medical centers and insurers accountable for disparate outcomes in 'disparity populations' with a presumption of guilt on the part of these businesses - that they are the cause of any disparity and responsible for its remedy. Now, while its a laudable aim to seek to help to improve the quality of care, where does government authority begin to be in a position to demand the data to actively police medical facilities in this regard? Where does this police power end in health care and by what rationale is this only limited to health care if government has such authority?

Mind you, this is mild campaign literature touting all the good the plan the president envisions will do and is rather modest compared to what was being proposed at the time. What actually passed in this regard (efficacy data collection and research) happened largely well before the Act passed, as part of the stimulus package. And government employees are now hard at work building the digital health care infrastructure and identifying the necessary research which aligns with the policy objectives of the administration to develop these best practices or proven regimes of care which will be recommended or incentivized or required.

These are the bureaucrats Palin and Sowell are referring to - those who will rise from the well funded infrastructure now being erected to better empower and enable government to examine, analyze, assess, encourage, direct, and require... And it is true when considering all forms of government health care today, even before the act passed, close to or more than 50% of care was government funded with certain, clear, bureaucratic restrictions on what is covered, how it is covered, etc., where in Medicare, for instance, average lifetime out of pocket costs for what is not covered are extraordinary, in the neighborhood of $200,000 per person. And that program was, time and again, referenced as a model for what's coming.

By mandating within the exchanges what must, by law, be covered, and at the same time letting no new private plans come into existence outside the exchanges, and introducing new regulatory regimes within the private insurance market, and mandating coverage, over time, Americans end up within plans in the exchange being the only option for insurance - by design. And regulating minimum coverage doesn't get you to cost savings. Quite obviously increasing benefits across the board increases costs while the legislation also limits what plans can charge - how much they can increase premiums from year to year by now 'soft' price controls, making the industry overall less profitable and more than ever, dependent upon government decisions for their profitability. So how do you ultimately get to these savings, if ever (because I don't believe we see savings)?

Control. By directing how, when, and for whom care is performed by heavy handed and overarching regulation. And the great bulk of the cost of care for most is at end of life, in making life and death decisions, to decide to prolong life or let nature take its course and at the individual level, great per capita cost is found in the chronically ill and disabled. The combination of the consolidation of such power to government in this area, combined with men and women then/now in government of seriously questionable morality, and the pressure to keep down costs... this is what inevitably leads to the deliberate rationing of care in law and regulation by government - to death panels.

I think people like Palin and Sowell and their arguments struck a chord with the American people and have served to wake people up to get more involved in the process of putting good, honest, trustworthy people in office to represent their interests and preserve the republic - to make the argument against increasing centralization and for greater subsidiarity and respect for our rights - in health care and health insurance and more broadly.

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Brian,

Scary stuff. Did you have to remind me again what a progressive juggernaut the cause of freedom is up against?

If I was a socialist I would call you a fear mongering racist for even suggesting a government could, with zeal and reckless abandon (and many useful idiots), promote such injustice under the guise of reform. :wink:

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Obama administration replaces controversial 'conscience' regulation for health-care workers

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The Obama administration rescinded most of a federal regulation Friday designed to protect health workers who refuse to provide care they find objectionable on personal or religious grounds.

The Health and Human Services Department eliminated nearly the entire rule put into effect by the administration of President George W. Bush during his final days in office that was widely interpreted as allowing such workers to opt out of a broad range of medical services, such as providing the emergency contraceptive Plan B, treating gay men and lesbians and prescribing birth control to single women.

Calling the Bush-era rule "unclear and potentially overbroad in scope," the new, much narrower version essentially leaves in place only long-standing federal protections for workers who object to performing abortions or sterilizations. It also retains the Bush rule's formal process for workers to file complaints.

"The department supports clear and strong conscience protections for health-care providers who are opposed to performing abortions," the rule states.

The new regulation, which goes into effect in 30 days, also ensures that no federal money can be used to "support coercive or discriminatory policies or practices in violation of federal law."


It would seem Obama considers himself the conscience of America and as such knows better than individual Americans what is morally objectionable. In the world of Obama the collective mob which gives him power and defines truth must be obeyed -power is what he worships in action regardless the meaningless words he utters.

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As many US Bishops and people of common sense have been saying since day one, Obamacare DOES fund abortion - in addition to violating consciences and instituting "death panels". As the European experience shows, with the individual mandate or any legislative means to make private plans unaffordable, these will always be three fundamental objectives of any socialized medicine system, because of the inevitable rationing and because of the ideological importance of denying the sanctity of life and the prevailing of individual rights over the power of the State. I doesn't matter what they come up with to try and fool you with false promises of protecting this or that conscience objection rights. Abortion isn't there by accident and by hook or by crook they'll have you pay for abortion and you can complain till you're blue in the face (while the pollyannas and liberal Catholics will insist that you're a paranoid for saying such things). Just in case people thought the crazy HHS mandate on contraception, abortifacients and sterilizations was the only problem with what the administration is doing (and btw they are doubling down on the HHS mandate too, as was to be expected).

Abortion funding still required under health care law
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Richard Doerflinger, secretariat of pro-life activities for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, told CNA on March 19 that the regulation presents “nothing new” but merely repeats what the health care law said from the beginning.

“If people are surprised, that is because they believed false and misleading accounts of the Act two years ago, instead of the accurate descriptions by the bishops’ conference and other groups,” Doerflinger said.

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During debates over the health care overhaul, President Barack Obama promised that federal money would not be used to fund abortion under the legislation. Under pressure from legislators who threatened to vote against the bill, he signed a March 2010 executive order repeating this promise.

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However, critics say that the administration has now implemented an accounting gimmick in order to provide funding for abortion in the form of a mandatory insurance premium rather than a tax payment.

In other words they were lying and they fooled you. But you should have known all along what they were up to. These are committed comrades. They are NOT in way over their heads. They know exactly what they are doing. After all they are working for the candidate of Planned Parenthood, who swore he'd never yield to pro-lifers and whose only tangible achievement prior to the presidency was to kill a measure in the IL senate to save babies who survive abortion procedures.

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First, he said, plans that choose to cover abortion will now receive federal tax subsidies, forcing all taxpayers to contribute to them.

This new policy is contrary to that put in place by the Hyde amendment, as well as every other major federal program that prohibited tax money from subsidizing abortions, he noted.

In addition, Doerflinger explained, many Americans will be “forced to pay directly for other people’s abortions as well.”

This will take place through a monthly surcharge for people enrolled in plans that cover abortion. According to federal regulations, this surcharge will be at least one dollar per month; however, there is no maximum rate, and nothing prohibits insurance companies from charging substantially more to pay for abortions.

Of particular concern, noted Doerflinger, is the fact that insurers will not be allowed to let people simply decline coverage of abortion and refuse to pay that part of the premium, even on the ground of religious or moral objections.

He added that the federal government prohibits insurers from giving enrollees a “specific warning about the fact that they are buying abortion coverage.”

It also forbids insurers from telling enrollees how much of their money is going towards other people’s abortions, thereby making it very difficult or even impossible to withhold this portion of the premium.

According to the federal regulation, notice of the abortion surcharge does not need to be mentioned in a plan’s advertising and must be disclosed “only as part of the summary of benefits and coverage explanation, at the time of enrollment.

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The U.S. House of Representatives today voted to repeal a portion of the Obamacare law that pro-life advocates strongly opposed because it could lead to rationing of health care for patients across the nation.

Leading pro-life groups had been asking members of Congress to approve legislation that would repeal the Independent Payment Advisory Board, which has been derisively called “death panels” by detractors.

Today, the Republican-controlled House voted for legislation to do just that on a 223-181 vote, with seven Democrats supporting the measure. The Senate is not expected to take up the measure and the vote could turn Obamacare into even greater election issue than it is currently.

The washington Post indicated Republicans and Democrats were divided on the legislation. “When bureaucrats choose, patients lose,” Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.) said about the board Wednesday.

Rep. John Fleming (R-La.), a practicing physician, called the panel “a socialist dream, but it’s a nightmare for the American people”

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Pro-life NRLC attorney Jennifer Popik talked previously about the pro-life rationale for ending the program.

“Integral to the Obama Administration’s stated mission to drive down what Americans choose to spend for life-saving and health-preserving health care, the IPAB is charged with a key role in suppressing health care spending by limiting what treatment doctors are allowed to give their patients,” she says. “While the focus throughout this debate has been on the IPAB’s authority to cut Medicare with very limited Congressional authority to override or alter those cuts, National Right to Life has been emphasizing a still graver concern – one at the core of rationing in ObamaCare.”

“The health care law instructs the IPAB to make recommendations to limit what all Americans are legally allowed to spend for their health care to hold it below the rate of medical inflation. The health care law then empowers the federal Department of Health and Human Services to implement these recommendations by imposing so-called “quality” and “efficiency” measures on health care providers,” Popik continues. “What happens to doctors who violate a “quality” standard by prescribing more lifesaving medical treatment than it permits? They will be disqualified from contracting with any of the health insurance plans that individual Americans, under the Obama Health Care Law, will be mandated to purchase. Few doctors would be able to remain in practice if subjected to that penalty.”

“This means that treatment a doctor and patient deem advisable to save that patient’s life or preserve or improve the patient’s health–but which exceeds the standard imposed by the government–will be denied even if the patient is willing and able to pay for it. Repeal of IPAB is critically important to prevent this rationing of life-saving medical treatment,”

See also: How Obamacare will ration your family's healthcare

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So does House Votes to Repeal IPAB, Obamacare “Death Panels” mean that How Obamacare will ration your family's healthcare does not apply any more? Because that is one scary pdf. :o

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So does House Votes to Repeal IPAB, Obamacare “Death Panels” mean that How Obamacare will ration your family's healthcare does not apply any more?

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no, unless the Democrat-controlled Senate does the same (and the president signs on it), an unlikely scenario.

And if you think it is scary now, the CBO has confirmed what everybody knew from the beginning: that Obamacare will cost at least twice as projected (around 1,8 TRILLION instead of the already mind-boggling 900 billion of the initial estimate. Because CBO works with the data given to it by the administration, that means that that Obama was indeed lying on yet another issue, as they had all the numbers the first time around as well). That means that you can take the parameters of that PDF and at least double the speed and import of the coming rationing, which is one inevitable consequence of socialized medicine. After all Obama himself told as much to a woman who had asked him if he would let her old mother die despite her good spirit and her will to live which she could do with proper treatment. He replied that we can't "make judgments based on peoples’ spirit" and that the old woman would be better off taking painkillers, the underlying reasoning being that she was not worth the cost of the surgery, and all those like her will not be given what they need. Period.

Which is nothing different from what already happens - officially or unofficially - in most countries with a nationalized health system. The state prioritizes access to healthcare and you can die waiting for your turn. And if you are over 60-65 your turn might never come, no matter how heavily you are taxed to pay for "affordable" health care.

The guys who wrote the provisions for the "death panels" (sec. 1233) in the original Obamacare bill are all known de-population and euthanasia supporters. They had to drop sec. 1233 after they realized they weren't fooling (almost) anybody. So they came out with IPAD once the bill passed.

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"Erin Shields, a spokeswoman for the Department of Health and Human Services, cleared up the confusion about abortion and the Affordable Care Act in a statement to HuffPost on Monday.

"Under the new health care law, federal funds continue not to be used for abortion services, except those in cases of rape or incest or where the life of the woman is endangered," she said. "No one will be required to choose a plan that covers these services and no taxpayer dollars will be spent on them. Before choosing a health plan, consumers will know whether the plan covers these services. And if it does, payments will be made into a separate account to ensure no federal dollars fund these services.""

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/0 ... 97564.html
This article trys to show you do not have to pay for someone else's abortion. Do they not know what a shell game is. If it is something available and we contribute to a common fund, how is it not that we are not supporting it. It is like donating to a charity which says if we do not want any of our funds going to planned parenthood they will put our funds aside. So our money is aside and they can use more of someone else's money to cover my money. They must think we are stupid.

We have seen Obama already telling the Catholic Church how to handle its insurance and then tries to say well they will not have to pay for it, but they must provide an insurance that goes against our teachings. Obama is one of the most pro-abortion presidents we have had. Even his Catholic vice president, Biden, takes the wrong stance in supporting him in his endeavors.

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anybody saying that Obamacare does not force US citizens to pay for abortion (and "death panels", and contraception and all sorts of conscience violations) is either lying, or incredibly misinformed or stunningly naive. It was so from the get go, even without the HHS mandate which is only a directive the Act itself empowers the HHS secretary to issue. The whole Act is a series of "as the secretary will determine". What do you expect abortion extremists like Obama and Sebelius to do with such powers? On this, the creepy, despicable Nancy Pelosi was telling the truth, in her own abject dishonesty: you have to pass the bill to find out what's actually in it (especially if you are as naive or uninformed as most defenders of Obamacare who are not Obamista militants). If it doesn't get repealed by Congress - and as of today I doubt it will be - there will be no way out of it and you will have to kiss the Bill of Rights goodbye. As Justice Scalia noted, if the government can do this to you, what can't it do? Maybe the US will qualify for EU membership, who knows. After all it is less absurd to claim that the US is a European nation (it is in many regards) than to say that Obamacare is constitutional or that it will provide "free" and good quality healthcare to everybody, or that it does not aim at establishing a single-payer system of nationalized healthcare of the immoral, uncivil, bankrupt kind we have in most of Europe. Obama and his comrades have explained this a million times and that's what they are bringing into existence.

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From Mark Steyn: Wait and see how flexible Obama will be this week.
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...The eunuchs of the palace media gleefully piled on: as the New York Times sees it, were the justices to take an "unprecedented" step so unprecedented there are two centuries' worth of precedents going back to 1803, they would be fatally damaging "the Court's legitimacy."

All that's unprecedented here is the spectacle of the president of the United States, while the judges are deliberating, idly swinging his tire iron and saying, "Nice little Supreme Court you got here. Shame if anything were to happen to it."...

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When preparing to vote time is spent learning candidates positions as we all should, but with so many offices we cannot always find lesser candidates positions on all issues. I am reminded of a phone call during our primary from one asking me to support a representative, and the person said my concern about life issues were not important in the case of this candidate, but I told him it was. He said he was sure he would be pro-life because of his religion, but after research I found that he was not, so scratch one candidate.

I normally obtain a pro-life guide from an organization I can trust and will even take this guide to the booth when I vote. Becareful from whom you get a guide, since there is one group saying they are balancing all of the issues which should be considered. That in itself should be a warning, since taxes and other financial matters cannot be placed at the same level as life. Just ask yourself how much your soul is worth and follow the Catholic teachings. Some issues are not negotiable. The lives of the unborn must be protected since if we as Catholics do not, we cannot rely on the government.

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PostPosted: 18 Apr 2012 19:05 
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So does House Votes to Repeal IPAB, Obamacare “Death Panels” mean that How Obamacare will ration your family's healthcare does not apply any more? Because that is one scary pdf. :o



Love your new avatar.

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SCHULTZZKOPF wrote:
Love your new avatar.

Thank you. :) I was thinking it was a bit too bright and distracting and thinking of removing it. Now I'll keep it. :)

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The progressive immoral hits keep coming from team Obama.

Sex discrimination law applies to transgender cases, EEOC rules

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Discrimination complaints based on transgender status should be adjudicated as sex discrimination complaints, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission ruled last week.

The April 20 ruling responds to a case in which the Justice Department was going to consider part of a transgender woman's discrimination complaint under an internal process that offers fewer remedy and appeal rights than sex discrimination law does.

Mia Macy, a transgender woman who unsuccessfully sought a contractor job with Justice's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said the discrimination she faced "was painful both personally and financially, and led to the loss of my family's home to foreclosure." But she said she was glad to be part of what she called a groundbreaking decision.

The ruling will ensure transgender people have more avenues to pursue discrimination complaints — not just at other federal agencies, but nationwide.

"No one should be denied a job just for being who they are," Macy said.


Regardless Church teaching as far as legitimate discrimination, what of Natural Law?

Here is seen a commission with members all appointed by President Obama make a RULING that flies in the face of written law. It was Attorney General Holder's responsibility to defend the law in the lawsuit filed; however, it would appear that instead the case was arbitrarily decided by some unelected commission. There seems to be a pattern here.

In summary, a law enacted by Congress forbidding employment discrimination premised upon sex (gender e.g. male or female) has been reinterpreted to create a new sex/gender -that of subjectively declared mentally confused with corrective surgery a past present or future possibility.

I am sure that this new gender created from whole cloth by the progressives will be covered under team Obama's mandated healthcare system and I have no doubt that the public will be required to fund sex change operations if this absurdity goes unchallenged.

Undoubtedly Obama is looking to install the first transgender Supreme Court Justice now -among other things as it would be the fair thing to do. :roll:

Gender Redistribution is coming...

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Daniel,

Sorry to disappoint you, but I think you'll find that throughout the civilised world laws forbidding discrimination on the basis of sex also cover "transgender" (what a hideous word) people.

(Nouns have gender, people have sex.)

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Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
(Nouns have gender, people have sex.)

You and G. Gordon Liddy. (The only other place I've heard that.)

I agree with you in principle, but unfortunately that ship has sailed.

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Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
Daniel,

Sorry to disappoint you, but I think you'll find that throughout the civilised world laws forbidding discrimination on the basis of sex also cover "transgender" (what a hideous word) people.

(Nouns have gender, people have sex.)


I prefer civilized.

I suggest you read the law referred to rather than tap dance around the issue and discuss your opinion of civilized and world authority in regard to word usage and or US law. Frankly, I could care less what the world thinks.

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Frankly, I could care less what the world thinks.



Surely that should be "couldn't".

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More 'news' from the morally and fiscally bankrupt leftist Obama administration.

THIS is one of many investments in failure that leftists are diverting funds to. More taxes? NO, less leftist spending!

My Title: Clinton Celebrating State Department’s Circumvention of Law in Promotion & Subsidy of Homosexual Sex

Their Title: Clinton Celebrating State Department’s 'Gays and Lesbians in Foreign Affairs Agencies'

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“Most notably, Secretary Clinton is responsible for the extension of the full range of legally available benefits and allowances to same-sex domestic partners of Foreign Service members serving overseas.”

In June 2009 President Obama issued a memorandum extending to the same-sex partners of federal employees many of the benefits enjoyed by the spouses of their heterosexual colleagues.

Prevented by law from extending all available benefits to same-sex partners, Obama also voiced support for legislation in the U.S. House and Senate aimed at achieving that goal. (The bills did not proceed that year, and successor legislation has not progressed beyond a Senate committee vote in support last May.)

Two days after Obama’s memorandum, Clinton extended “eligible family member” (EFM) status to same-sex domestic partners of department employees sent to serve abroad. EFM status brings benefits including housing, education, medical services and travel to post.


"Prevented by law" -what a quaint expression; one that Obama seems to have evolved beyond as the one he has been waiting for moves forward to win the future. Why even bother mentioning, the law, that which in effect the leftists disregard whenever it suits their ends?

When it appears that upholding and obeying the law matters not to those tasked with enforcing the law HOW then is the law upheld?

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Another sad update -the leftist march to Utopia continues with some being dragged kicking and screaming; and some being executed along the way.

Let the evil irony not be lost on any that legislation premised upon defense abandons those least able to defend themselves.

Shaheen abortion amendment signed into law

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Sen. Jeanne Shaheen’s amendment to allow servicewomen coverage for abortions in cases of rape or incest was signed into law by President Barack Obama late Wednesday as part of the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act.

The Shaheen amendment passed through both chambers of Congress last month with broad bipartisan support.

“After three decades of a policy that discriminated against women who put their lives on the line for us, I am so proud that we will finally begin to provide the coverage our servicewomen deserve,” Shaheen, D-N.H., said.

“Civilian women who depend on the federal government for health insurance -- whether they are postal workers or Medicaid recipients -- have the right to access affordable abortion care if they are sexually assaulted. It is only fair that the thousands of brave women in uniform fighting to protect our freedoms are treated the same,” she said.


The Shaheen amendment passed through both chambers of Congress last month with broad bipartisan support?

I will have to research this - as to whether there was broad bipartisan support of federally funded abortion or whether, as I assume, this was but perverse leftist pork embedded within a monstrous piece of legislation that many if not all legislators have yet to read.

I wonder does it matter to any but God what was politically intended or what those intentioned when the result is the same and when the result would not have transpired if some did not perhaps rushed and ignorant vote in the affirmative?

I can not understand how elected representatives can vote upon legislation without even knowing what intended consequences are sought? For the sake of expediency, these elected representative do not consider intended consequences let alone grant themselves the opportunity to perhaps consider the unintended consequences of what they enact -what excuse can be given for such a dereliction of duty?

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