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PostPosted: 11 May 2011 08:34 
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I don't know whether this will do real damage to Planned Parenthood or if it is largely symbolic, but kudos to Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels anyway for signing a bill that defunds Planned Parenthood.

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I don't know whether this will do real damage to Planned Parenthood or if it is largely symbolic, but kudos to Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels anyway for signing a bill that defunds Planned Parenthood.



Even if you look at this from a pro-abortion view point, at best abortion is elective surgery. I have never seen any logical reason to fund electives with taxpayer money. And yes, good move Gov. Daniels.

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Glad to hear it. For the life of me I can't understand why taxpayers have to pay for the abomination of abortion; they even say it's private between them and their doctors. :roll:

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Kansas: Brownback Signs Bill De-Funding Planned Parenthood
http://www.lifenews.com/2011/05/27/kans ... arenthood/

Nebraska Gov. Signs Webcam Abortion Ban, Parental Consent Bill
http://www.lifenews.com/2011/05/27/nebr ... sent-bill/

Health Department Closes New Orleans, Louisiana Abortion Biz
http://www.lifenews.com/2011/05/26/heal ... rtion-biz/

Alabama Senate approves major personhood measure, pro-life bills
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/alabam ... life-bills

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PostPosted: 28 May 2011 22:02 
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Even if you look at this from a pro-abortion view point, at best abortion is elective surgery. I have never seen any logical reason to fund electives with taxpayer money. And yes, good move Gov. Daniels.


I'm not arguing in favor of taxpayer funding for abortions, I"m merely pointing out that elective surgery means it's not life or death for a person to have the surgery...it doesn't mean that it's being done for trivial or frivolous reasons...such as a face lift for someone vain. Knee replacement surgery is elective, plastic surgery to reconstruct after a mastectomy or to graft new skin to improve the look of a burn victim or a hip replacement surgery for pain, etc....these are all elective procedures yet obviously are extremely important to treat chronic, debilitating pain and weakness or to vastly improve the quality of life for someone disfigured in some fashion.

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PostPosted: 28 May 2011 22:19 
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But abortion advocates are not happy with the decision because the insurance portion of the bill prohibits insurance companies from making enrollees pay for abortions for other insured people unless the abortion is necessary to save the life of the mother.


I don't entirely understand how enrollees pay directly for abortions nor entirely agree with the law. I perhaps don't understand how enrollees are paying for it other than it making the insurance more expensive perhaps. I don't know what it means in real money to not include abortion except as a separate rider.

The reason I don't entirely agree with it is that there are all sorts of people who don't want to pay for certain types of healthcare coverage for others (and no, I did not just call abortion part of healthcare coverage in the sense I'm meaning) for one reason or another and that's sort of a dangerous path to travel because insurance only works when there are enough healthy people paying in to cover the unhealthy people who are costing money. Maybe I don't want to pay for viagra but on the other hand, many young people have expressed anger that they are paying for health conditions that accompany aging or fit people don't want to pay for the fat diabetic or the alcoholic with cirrhosis or the non-smoker doesn't want to pay for the smoker who got lung cancer but won't mind paying for the non-smoker who got lung cancer and on and on.

In an employer sponsored plan a healthy young person pays as much as an unhealthy older person...and when I was insured I was purchasing pregnancy care that I knew I'd never need or rehab for addictions I'd never had and people without mental illness were paying for coverage for me. So, aren't we all paying for things we will never use and may not approve of? Should people be able to opt out of paying for all the different services they know they'll never, ever need or may disapprove of? I'm not arguing...sort of not understanding.

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PostPosted: 28 May 2011 22:21 
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I understand (actually I don't understand a thing) that the challenges to the de-funding of planned parenthood will be based upon the Federal requirement that services paid for by medicaid not be withheld by the states that are administering medicaid and that defunding planned parenthood will include defunding covered services they provide like pap smears, etc.

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PostPosted: 29 May 2011 06:25 
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It isn't a question of whether we want to pay for certain procedures, but whether we should be forced to pay for them against what we know to be right. I may not want to pay for insurance to cover certain self-inflicted problems, but it's my duty to help those people, so ok. However, there's no angle from which abortion is ever a moral right, so I shouldn't be forced to help pay for that.

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PostPosted: 29 May 2011 15:24 
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So what about people who try and withhold a percentage of their taxes because they don't want to pay for the wars?

Though you may not want to care for self inflicted problems but feel you should (as I do...after all I sacrificed an enormous amount of time and money to care for an alcoholic), there are people who believe they have no moral imperative to do so. I'm trying to put myself in their shoes and wonder how much each individual should be able to opt out of without destroying the whole system.

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North Carolina Becomes Third State to De-Fund Planned Parenthood
http://www.lifenews.com/2011/06/15/nort ... arenthood/

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a step in the right direction

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04 ... latestnews

Gov. Brewer signs Arizona bill with 20-week abortion ban
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The Republican-sponsored legislation also institutes new disclosure mandates that include requiring the state have a website with images of fetuses at various stages of development for women to view.

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Nebraska enacted a 20-week ban in 2010. It was followed by Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, North Carolina and Oklahoma last year.
Arizona now allows abortions up to when a fetus can survive outside of the womb. That's generally considered to be around 23 to 24 weeks.
The bill signed by Brewer would require the state health department maintain an extensive website that provides information about alternatives to abortion, medical risks and descriptions and images of fetuses at various stages of development.
The proposal increases the current requirement that an ultrasound be performed before an abortion from one hour to 24 hours before. It also requires abortion clinics to post signs providing notice that it's illegal for anyone to coerce a woman to have an abortion.

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PostPosted: 05 May 2012 09:06 
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More good news from the great state of Arizona, understandably hated by the Obama administration these days:

Gov. Brewer signs Arizona ban on Planned Parenthood funding
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05 ... z1u12YZV8o

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http://www.lifenews.com/2012/06/08/loui ... tion-bill/
Louisiana Gov. Jindal Signs Pro-Life Ultrasound-Abortion Bill

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/06/08/kans ... ence-bill/
Kansas Gov. Brownback Signs Key Pro-Life Conscience Bill

call me a professional wet-blanket but isn't it telling of the times we're living that it feels so good that two Catholic governors actually signed pro-life bills instead of pro-death ones for once?

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In the United States after abortion laws were passed and prayer was banned from schools many other problems began to appear such as a much higher teen pregnancy rate, crime and additional problems with the youth. We can't force people to pray although when we take God out of our lives there is a grand overall effect and we are seeing that now. Our children think mass is boring because it has to compete with modern movies which they claim are not boring yet they promote violence and we stand by. Oh, I take part of the blame for standing by and letting it happen although I strive to bring media that is decent into my home. People now want to turn to the day after pill and claim it is not abortion yet does it not offer the same results? God is sad and many don't care. We are loosing our youth and it scares me.



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In the United States after abortion laws were passed and prayer was banned from schools many other problems began to appear such as a much higher teen pregnancy rate, crime and additional problems with the youth.

Statistics show that both teen pregnancy and crime rates have been trending down.

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that is only true according to sources of an NPR or The Los Angeles Times Level, basing their pro-death enthusiasm on the old, preposterous, debunked a million times Donohue-Levitt paper (or similar) that even our pro-abortion Marxist teachers of the demography classes were embarassed to have to defend, especially because they hated that the funds for that garbage came from organizations like the Rockefeller foundation or similar ones, the link between crony capitalism/big business and big government/centralized planning being impenetrable to their activist minds).

The decrease in teen pregnancies btw does not correspond to a decrease in abortions since certain statistics conveniently count only surgical abortions. But IUDs and pills and so forth kill babies as well.

So, there has been a comparatively decreasing rate of teen pregnancy but only thanks to the fact that many more pregnancies (=human lives) get "terminated" early and by other means and therefore not counted. It is impossible that teen pregnancies decrease when casual sex and total lack of responsibility ae promoted at all levels and on the taxpayer's dime. Now they are even saying that people have a right to have everybody else pay for their contraception and abortions to the tune of thousands of $ per year. And we do know that the spreading of contraception correspond to an increase of abortion rates.

The only observable decreases in teen pregnancies not accompained by a higher consumption of contraceptives/abortifacients has been observed where abstinence education and pro-fidelity programs had been implemented, but even that is hard to determine when the culture all around you is against mental and moral sanity. Not a reason to drop abstinence programs, but it's important ot keep in mind the saying about lies and stats.

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that is only true according to sources of an NPR or The Los Angeles Times Level, basing their pro-death enthusiasm on the old, preposterous, debunked a million times Donohue-Levitt paper (or similar) that even our pro-abortion Marxist teachers of the demography classes were embarassed to have to defend, especially because they hated that the funds for that garbage came from organizations like the Rockefeller foundation or similar ones, the link between crony capitalism/big business and big government/centralized planning being impenetrable to their activist minds).

Perhaps you would prefer something a little more "fair and balanced".

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Mississippi's teen birth rate declined modestly over the past decade as rates around the country fell. But Mississippi still has 55 births per 1,000 15- to 19-year-old girls, compared to a national average of 34.3, according to the most recent figures from the federal government's National Center for Health Statistics.

Read more: Fox News: Fighting Teen Pregnancy in Mississippi


As far as crime stats are concerned, is the FBI a reliable enough source? According to their Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) stats total crimes reported per 100,000 population have decline steadily since 1991 when it was 5,898 to 3,346 in 2010. Violent crimes have likewise declined from 758 to 403 (per 100,000) over the same period.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm (scroll down for the crime rates per 100,000)

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Re teen births - Do they distinguish between those in-wedlock and those out-of-wedlock yet? They didn't years ago.

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David,

the article which in your rush to reply to me and to support - unwittingly, I am sure - racist, eugenist and pro-death pseudo-science was not a Foxnews article but a retreaded Associated Press piece as you can see by reading with attention just below the headline. I don't need to illustrate you the record of a despicable outfit like that. When I am not too bored we'll talk about Foxnews too (especially their website).

At any rate it is typical to throw in "data" that are partial, local and limited in scope and time to "prove" a thesis on what is a national long-term problem which - in the USA - was affected by some major Supreme Court decisions creating law from the bench to obtain what legislators couldn't. Also, Mississippi has in recent years given examples pof pro-life measures that led to the shutting-down of most if not all abortion mills in the state, so it is not strange that AP would target it. And it is not strange that the same article would be illustrated with an AP photo of black girls. These AP guys are liberals democrat hacks - but liberal republicans aren't any better, the problem is liberalism, not the party per se - and therefore they are stuck with Margaret Sanger's and the KKK's obsession with doing away with black babies. We even had a thread on that state's pro-life successes viewtopic.php?f=76&t=25580&hilit=mississippi

This is why there is "lies, damned lies and statistics". The uninformed - or the superficially informed - are easily impressed with it.

The idea that Mississippi kids can't find pills and condoms is simply stupid and that they have teen pregnancies because they haven't wasted enough billions on sex "education" classes and because of that state's pro-family policies is even more stupid. As the Church keeps repeating in all such debates, the nations that have spent more energies and treasure in pushing sex "education" and free contraceptives and abortion - even without parental notification - are those that show the worst teen-pregnancy (and crime) stats. Ever heard of the situation in the UK or Spain, to make two examples?

The idea that legal abortion and contraception reduce crime-rates - proven false a million times - comes from the very liberal idea that because blacks and in general minorities are poorer and less "educated", they will have more kids who will end up committing more crimes. So the more black and minority babies you kill and the more pills their mothers take the better the crime stats, say bogus studies like the one I mentioned above. But these studies do not tell us what policies made these minorities poorer and who has been charge of them for decades and decades of centralized madness that for blacks meant to go from cotton plantation to the democrat-run modern plantations which we now call inner cities, vote for me and I'll put you on the government dole. Thomas Sowell has given us an impressive amount of truly scientific evidence on how the black family has been destroyed and by whom in the last few decades.

They will not tell you that blacks went from 85% of children living in two-parent families (higher rate than among whites) to reversing that proportions after decades and decades of programs that have only encouraged paternal and sexual irresponsibility. Add that to more contraception and more abortion on demand and a society that does not require males to ever become men while pushing for more and more causual sex and you won't need a PhD to figure out who's the liar here: between pro-lifers and the Catholic Church who maintain that more abortion and contraception will only beget more abortion and contraception AND more crime due to the destruction of the family and those who always need "studies" to back up their criminal ideologies that would be otherwise rejected by the people that need to be scared into accepting more legislated immorality and more government control over their lives.

Contraception and abortion - and statist policies - INCREASE poverty and crime rates since they destroy not only life, but the family. That is the same all over the world and it only takes some common sense to figure it out. However, there is no lack of serious data about that if one has any intention to inform themselves. The Donohue-Levitt forgery, which generally ends up being cited as "evidence" for the eugenist thesis was written precisely to counter the opposition of pro-lifers, the Church and Christians in general to those pro-death measures that in the fantasies of the children of Sanger are supposed to solve the problem they only made worse.

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Re teen births - Do they distinguish between those in-wedlock and those out-of-wedlock yet? They didn't years ago.


They still don't. Well, depends on the study and what is it that they want to "prove".

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Louisiana Gov. Jindal Signs 20-Week Abortion Ban Bill
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/06/15/loui ... -ban-bill/

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Governor Jindal said, “It is incumbent upon us to protect the weakest and most vulnerable among us, and these new laws will protect innocent human life.”

The measure, authored by Senate President John Alario (R-Westwego), passed by a margin of 96-0 in the state House and it protects unborn children 20 weeks old (post-fertilization) and older based on the scientific evidence showing that the unborn child can feel pain at 20 weeks.

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Alabama, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Nebraska and Oklahoma have passed such legislation. Besides Louisiana, similar laws are being considered in the District of Columbia, Virginia, Florida and New Hampshire.

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Reason #456 to support Arizona against the administration, the SCOTUS, the unions, the media, brain-dead Hollywood stars and all the rest of that sorry bunch:

Judge Upholds Arizona Law Banning Abortions After 20 Weeks
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/07/30/judg ... -20-weeks/

Once again, it is sad to have to rely on the thin ice of court rulings instead of what should be the normal constitutional implementation of the will of voters and their representatives, but I guess the defenders of mental sanity will have to take what they can get for the time being.

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A federal judge in Arizona has issued a ruling upholding that state’s new law that goes into effect on Thursday and bans abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy.

The ACLU sued to stop the law after legislators passed the bill to ban abortions after that period of time except in very rare cases of medical emergency. The bill also requires abortion facilities to allow women to have an ultrasound of their unborn baby at least 24 hours prior to having the abortion. In many cases women change their minds about a planned abortion after seeing the images of their developing child.

Against the best interests of the health and safety of Arizona’s women, the American Civil Liberties Union and the Center for Reproductive Rights filed a lawsuit to block the law from going into effect on August 2 as planned.

Judge James Teilborg’s ruling acknowledged prior Supreme Court rulings saying states may not prohibit abortions before viability. But he said the law “does not impose a substantial obstacle to previability abortions.” He said state’s have a legitimate reason to protect unborn children during that time.

“The court finds that it would be extremely rare to find a condition that could be diagnosed after 20 weeks that could not have been diagnosed earlier,” he wrote.

The judge also did not go along with pro-abortion arguments that a diagnosis of fetal abnormalities will not occur until after 20 weeks and, even if a mother is prevented from having an abortion in such a case, he said “such a situation cannot be the basis of the court’s decision in a facial challenge to the statute.”

Wow. A judge who understands the limits to his power! The article contains quotes from and a link to the actual ruling.

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This bill, called “The Mother’s Health and Safety Act”:

- Prohibits abortion after 20 weeks because of the safety risks to the mother and the pain endured by the preborn child

- Ensures women have an ultrasound at least 24 hours prior to an abortion

- Establishes an informed consent website which details the facts about fetal development, risks of abortion, and services available.

- Requires doctors performing surgical abortions to have admitting privileges at a hospital within thirty miles of the abortion facility.

Arizona Right to Life was also supportive of the legislation.

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