Catholic Online Forum

The first interactive Catholic Forum on the web
It is currently 24 May 2013 09:20

All times are UTC - 8 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 21 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Acupuncture
PostPosted: 31 Jan 2012 16:26 
Offline
Forum Staff
Forum Staff
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jul 2002 11:50
Posts: 18937
Location: USA
Acupuncture

My wife has had a bad outbreak of Arthritis, nothing seems to help with the pain. Anyone ever tried Acupuncture?

_________________
Bob C


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Acupuncture
PostPosted: 31 Jan 2012 21:40 
Offline
Master Member
Master Member
User avatar

Joined: 06 Mar 2008 23:35
Posts: 5278
Location: Europe
Bob,

I tried acupuncture several years ago for help with migraines and a stiff, painful neck. After several sessions, the doctor said that acupuncture was not good for that, that he suffered from migraines himself and even the Chinese acupuncturist who trained him could not help his migraines. He prescribed some medicine that worked brilliantly. I appreciated his honesty.

My husband also tried it for osteoarthritis-- a lot of sessions. Didn't work and eventually he had a hip replacement.

My neck problem was eventually sorted by a combination of Feldenkrais method and Bowen therapy (from the same practitioner). Has she looked into those?

_________________
Grace

As to the past, let us entrust it to God's mercy, the future to Divine Providence. Our task is to live holy the present moment. - Saint Gianna Molla


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Acupuncture
PostPosted: 31 Jan 2012 21:45 
Offline
Forum Staff
Forum Staff
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jul 2002 11:50
Posts: 18937
Location: USA
Quote:
osteoarthritis-



That is the problem

_________________
Bob C


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Acupuncture
PostPosted: 01 Feb 2012 03:05 
Offline
Senior Member
Senior Member
User avatar

Joined: 30 Jul 2003 03:49
Posts: 3474
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/ponti ... ge_en.html

Quote:
2.2.3. Health: Golden living

Formal (allopathic) medicine today tends to limit itself to curing particular, isolated ailments, and fails to look at the broader picture of a person's health: this has given rise to a fair amount of understandable dissatisfaction. Alternative therapies have gained enormously in popularity because they claim to look at the whole person and are about healing rather than curing. Holistic health, as it is known, concentrates on the important role that the mind plays in physical healing. The connection between the spiritual and the physical aspects of the person is said to be in the immune system or the Indian chakra system. In a New Age perspective, illness and suffering come from working against nature; when one is in tune with nature, one can expect a much healthier life, and even material prosperity; for some New Age healers, there should actually be no need for us to die. Developing our human potential will put us in touch with our inner divinity, and with those parts of our selves which have been alienated and suppressed. This is revealed above all in Altered States of Consciousness (ASCs), which are induced either by drugs or by various mind-expanding techniques, particularly in the context of “transpersonal psychology”. The shaman is often seen as the specialist of altered states of consciousness, one who is able to mediate between the transpersonal realms of spirits and gods and the world of humans.

There is a remarkable variety of approaches for promoting holistic health, some derived from ancient cultural traditions, whether religious or esoteric, others connected with the psychological theories developed in Esalen during the years 1960-1970. Advertising connected with New Age covers a wide range of practices as acupuncture, biofeedback, chiropractic, kinesiology, homeopathy, iridology, massage and various kinds of “bodywork” (such as orgonomy, Feldenkrais, reflexology, Rolfing, polarity massage, therapeutic touch etc.), meditation and visualisation, nutritional therapies, psychic healing, various kinds of herbal medicine, healing by crystals, metals, music or colours, reincarnation therapies and, finally, twelve-step programmes and self-help groups.(25) The source of healing is said to be within ourselves, something we reach when we are in touch with our inner energy or cosmic energy.

Inasmuch as health includes a prolongation of life, New Age offers an Eastern formula in Western terms. Originally, reincarnation was a part of Hindu cyclical thought, based on the atman or divine kernel of personality (later the concept of jiva), which moved from body to body in a cycle of suffering (samsara), determined by the law of karma, linked to behaviour in past lives. Hope lies in the possibility of being born into a better state, or ultimately in liberation from the need to be reborn. What is different in most Buddhist traditions is that what wanders from body to body is not a soul, but a continuum of consciousness. Present life is embedded in a potentially endless cosmic process which includes even the gods. In the West, since the time of Lessing, reincarnation has been understood far more optimistically as a process of learning and progressive individual fulfilment. Spiritualism, theosophy, anthroposophy and New Age all see reincarnation as participation in cosmic evolution. This post-Christian approach to eschatology is said to answer the unresolved questions of theodicy and dispenses with the notion of hell. When the soul is separated from the body individuals can look back on their whole life up to that point, and when the soul is united to its new body there is a preview of its coming phase of life. People have access to their former lives through dreams and meditation techniques.(26)



So, beware of the 'package' that comes along with acupuncture. In practical terms, someone is sticking pins in you. It either works, or it doesn't work. It won't help your wife's arthritis even if it reduces the pain. It may work psychosomatically if it does (though frankly, if it works, who cares why). However, the chances are that the acupuncturist will have some kind of weird theories about energy flow etc. and it is those of which you should beware. I am not sure whether going for this sort of therapy would constitute some kind of propogation of these New Age theories and wouldn't go myself without consulting my confessor, just to be certain.

_________________
Jules Xx


What will become of sinners?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Acupuncture
PostPosted: 01 Feb 2012 03:43 
Offline
Advanced Member
Advanced Member
User avatar

Joined: 17 Sep 2006 03:23
Posts: 1106
Location: Norway
Bob,

My family and I went to a wonderful (Catholic) acupuncturist for many years, he helped my mum with her arthritis, my father with his bad back and my brother with his leg problems and as a child his epilepsy. He helped me with my asthma and allergies. This man was very good at what he did and we where all heartbroken when he suddenly past away.

We have had a difficult time finding a new acupuncturist that is not into the whole New Age thing. As much as I have benefited from acupuncture I can not tolerate someone telling me that my "aura is to purple" or my "energies are moving in the wrong direction".

It is not my experience that acupuncture cures, but it does relive symptoms and being pain free is a good thing in my book. For my mother acupuncture has helped relive inflammation and in that way stopped her arthritis from progressing. (That last sentence works in Norwegian, but I'm not sure it makes sense in English, please feel free to correct it :) )

If your should choose to try acupuncture I would recommend that you spend sometime locating an acupuncturist that does proscribe to the New Age way of thinking, but rather sees acupuncture as something that compliments modern medicine.

_________________
Line

"I can do anything through Christ crucified, for I know truly that He does not lay a heavier load on His creatures than they can bear."
~ St. Catherine of Siena

Our Father does not inspire us to do what cannot be done


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Acupuncture
PostPosted: 01 Feb 2012 04:23 
Offline
Senior Member
Senior Member
User avatar

Joined: 30 Jul 2003 03:49
Posts: 3474
FWIW, I have found that certain related techniques (applying pressure with no needles) have helped me with seasickness and migraines. I have no idea why it helps or if it's just a psychological thing.

_________________
Jules Xx


What will become of sinners?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Acupuncture
PostPosted: 01 Feb 2012 15:54 
Offline
Proficient Member
Proficient Member
User avatar

Joined: 29 Dec 2002 10:21
Posts: 958
Location: Midwest
I have recently discovered the world of nursing theorists. An important name among them is Martha Elizabeth Rogers (May 12, 1914–March 13, 1994). Science of unitary human beings Worth looking up.

http://www.nursingworld.org/MarthaElizabethRogers

_________________
"I cannot give what is mine to the other, without first giving him what pertains to him in justice."
--Benedict XVI

Benedicite,

Pete


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Acupuncture
PostPosted: 01 Feb 2012 16:16 
Offline
Proficient Member
Proficient Member
User avatar

Joined: 29 Dec 2002 10:21
Posts: 958
Location: Midwest
Sorry if that was too off topic.
But this whole realm of nurisng theory "Paradigms", "Grand Theories", "Middle Range Theories"...I didn't realize there were nurse philosophers.

I accidently saw an article on "Theory of Self-Transcendence" in a nursing journal. One thing led to another.

_________________
"I cannot give what is mine to the other, without first giving him what pertains to him in justice."
--Benedict XVI

Benedicite,

Pete


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Acupuncture
PostPosted: 02 Feb 2012 16:28 
Offline
Master Member
Master Member
User avatar

Joined: 28 Jul 2003 21:49
Posts: 7763
Location: Los Angeles, California
Bob C,

I have tried it a few times (nearly within Western Doctor's practices...never been exposed to any "new age" stuff...even the one Chinese acupuncturist didn't approach me with any philosophy), but it was never helpful. However, I know someone who had a diagnosed condition with her hormones and it greatly improved with acupuncture. Been awhile since I've looked into it but there have been studies showing it useful for certain things and pain is supposed to be one of them.

_________________
Valerie Garcia
vals1990@yahoo.com

"Listen, O my son, to the precepts of thy master, and incline the ear of thy heart, and cheerfully receive and faithfully execute the admonitions of thy loving Father, that by the toil of obedience thou mayest return to Him ....." St. Benedict


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Acupuncture
PostPosted: 02 Feb 2012 21:05 
Offline
Forum Staff
Forum Staff
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jul 2002 11:50
Posts: 18937
Location: USA
Well, turns out it's not cheap and not covered by our insurance. So for now we are passing.

_________________
Bob C


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Acupuncture
PostPosted: 02 Feb 2012 21:18 
Offline
Master Member
Master Member
User avatar

Joined: 06 Mar 2008 23:35
Posts: 5278
Location: Europe
How about Bowen or Feldenkrais? Are they convered?

Because as far as Julie's concern about New Age stuff, what I would say is that even if the practitioner were into New Age, I imagine that a lot of doctors are atheist or into New Age thought and we are unaware of it or of the "weird energies" they may have.

_________________
Grace

As to the past, let us entrust it to God's mercy, the future to Divine Providence. Our task is to live holy the present moment. - Saint Gianna Molla


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Acupuncture
PostPosted: 02 Feb 2012 21:24 
Offline
Master Member
Master Member
User avatar

Joined: 10 Dec 2003 01:07
Posts: 14686
Location: Sydney, Australia
Grace,

Quote:
I imagine that a lot of doctors are atheist or into New Age thought


Atheists, yes; New Age, no. They are educated professionals. Interest in the New Age seems to be confined to those of inferior education and culture.

_________________
James Daly

"It is the Lord." (Jn 21:7)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Acupuncture
PostPosted: 02 Feb 2012 21:35 
Offline
Master Member
Master Member
User avatar

Joined: 06 Mar 2008 23:35
Posts: 5278
Location: Europe
Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
Atheists, yes; New Age, no. They are educated professionals. Interest in the New Age seems to be confined to those of inferior education and culture.

James,
I'd love for you to come write that on my Face Book page. :P
One of my friends has this beaut for today: "The physical world, including our bodies, is a response of the observer. We create our bodies as we create the experience of our world.” :roll:

_________________
Grace

As to the past, let us entrust it to God's mercy, the future to Divine Providence. Our task is to live holy the present moment. - Saint Gianna Molla


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Acupuncture
PostPosted: 03 Feb 2012 01:18 
Offline
Senior Member
Senior Member
User avatar

Joined: 30 Jul 2003 03:49
Posts: 3474
Oooh, that's worse than Descartes.

_________________
Jules Xx


What will become of sinners?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Acupuncture
PostPosted: 05 Feb 2012 15:32 
Offline
Master Member
Master Member
User avatar

Joined: 10 Dec 2003 01:07
Posts: 14686
Location: Sydney, Australia
Julie,

Quote:
The physical world, including our bodies, is a response of the observer. We create our bodies as we create the experience of our world


More like Derrida. (Descatres wasn't a relativist).

It's not New Age, which is essentially gnostic. It's just post-modernist silliness.

_________________
James Daly

"It is the Lord." (Jn 21:7)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Acupuncture
PostPosted: 05 Feb 2012 20:10 
Offline
Proficient Member
Proficient Member
User avatar

Joined: 29 Dec 2002 10:21
Posts: 958
Location: Midwest
Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
Julie,

Quote:
The physical world, including our bodies, is a response of the observer. We create our bodies as we create the experience of our world


More like Derrida. (Descatres wasn't a relativist).

It's not New Age, which is essentially gnostic. It's just post-modernist silliness.



It's the new physics, string theory, nonlocality, holism, spooky action, etc.

_________________
"I cannot give what is mine to the other, without first giving him what pertains to him in justice."
--Benedict XVI

Benedicite,

Pete


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Acupuncture
PostPosted: 05 Feb 2012 20:53 
Offline
Master Member
Master Member
User avatar

Joined: 10 Dec 2003 01:07
Posts: 14686
Location: Sydney, Australia
Pete,

Quote:
It's the new physics, string theory


Sadly, it's what passes for literary criticism these days.

_________________
James Daly

"It is the Lord." (Jn 21:7)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Acupuncture
PostPosted: 25 Feb 2012 05:08 
Offline
Proficient Member
Proficient Member
User avatar

Joined: 29 Dec 2002 10:21
Posts: 958
Location: Midwest
Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
Pete,

Quote:
It's the new physics, string theory


Sadly, it's what passes for literary criticism these days.



Literary criticism? How do you mean?

_________________
"I cannot give what is mine to the other, without first giving him what pertains to him in justice."
--Benedict XVI

Benedicite,

Pete


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Acupuncture
PostPosted: 25 Feb 2012 17:38 
Offline
Master Member
Master Member
User avatar

Joined: 10 Dec 2003 01:07
Posts: 14686
Location: Sydney, Australia
Pete,

See Grace's comment above about doctors and New Age thinking followed by Julie's that it's worse than Descartes then mine that it has more in common with Derrida than Descartes.

Post-modernist theory has grown largely out of literary criticism. I don't quite see what it has to do with recent developments in physics. I didn't know there was a post-modernist school of physics.

New Age and post-modernism are not the same thing. (As I've said, for one thing there are obvious educational differences between the adherents of each.) New Age is simply neo-gnosticism. Post-modernism is a relativist denial of the existence of objective truths.

_________________
James Daly

"It is the Lord." (Jn 21:7)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Acupuncture
PostPosted: 26 Feb 2012 00:04 
Offline
Intermediate Member
Intermediate Member
User avatar

Joined: 25 Aug 2008 01:13
Posts: 445
Bob, I make up a small container of Ginger Pure Essential oil mixed with a Base oil like olive oil, almond etc. I use this on my dad's arthritic shoulder and he says it helps quite a lot. Even more so than Voltaren.

I don't know whether your wife is on any medications and you would have to check with the Pharmacist whether Ginger will affect any of them but if not then the dose is approx 2 drops to 5ml of base oil.

Baths with 4 drops of essential oil and one cup of Epsom salts is supposed to help as well.

Lavender Essential Oil for Rheumatoid Arthritis
Ginger Essential Oil for Osteoarthritis

Another thing that is suggested is to alter the diet. Maybe to cut back on red meat, dairy and wheat products, salt, sugar, acidic fruits and soft drinks. Not easy I know but I know of one elderly lady who noticed a great change in her arthritis after she consulted a dietician.

_________________
Kathleen

______________________________________________________________________

“Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.”


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Acupuncture
PostPosted: 26 Feb 2012 11:16 
Offline
Forum Staff
Forum Staff
User avatar

Joined: 13 Jul 2002 11:50
Posts: 18937
Location: USA
Thank You, passed info to my wife

_________________
Bob C


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 21 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 8 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group