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 Post subject: The Cheese Nun
PostPosted: 23 Dec 2008 18:59 
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Public TV has a show on tonight about a Benedictine community that makes cheese. Interestingly the head mother is Sister Dolores Hart, once a movie star. Sister Noella is one of the nuns who received permission to live outside the monastery while she studied for a PhD in cheese microbiology. She then received a Fulbright scholarship to study cheese making in France. She is now back in the monastery. Theshowwas very interesting, I never knew so much went into cheese making.

Now the next show is on Thomas Merton.

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The Cheese Nun (2002)
PBS home video DVD
Amazon listing, with reviews
http://www.amazon.com/Cheese-Nun-Sister ... B000FGG62K

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IfI remember correctly Sister Delores is in the monastery in Behtlehem Connecticut. That was the source for the movie Come to the Stable. Many years [50+] back we went up there to mail our Christmas Cards, to get the Bethlehem postmark and visited the monastery.

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gabriel wrote:
IfI remember correctly Sister Delores is in the monastery in Bethlehem Connecticut.


Yes, this is correct. The cheese is called Bethlehem cheese. The nuns practice organic farming and make their cheese the way it was done for hundreds of years. They hand milk their cows as they believe it is better for making cheese, also better for the cows. They do not pasteurize their milk. Their cows are examined by the state and are healthy, their cheese also passes inspection. It was a very interesting show.

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 Post subject: Re: The Cheese Nun
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Don't nuns live in convents?

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Arwen wrote:
Don't nuns live in convents?


Only if they're Conventual.

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Arwen wrote:
Don't nuns live in convents?


Nuns are cloistered, sisters are not. Most religious women are sisters, not nuns. Sisters live in convents. I guess nuns can live in convents or monasteries. This group are cloistered nuns, and Sister Noella spoke of being back in the monastery.

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SCHULTZZKOPF wrote:

Only if they're Conventual.


Okay, Schultzz, :wink: only because it is Christmastime, I will not roll my eyes, I will :camauro:.

I thought, according to conventional wisdom, nuns lived in convents and monks lived in monasteries. Or is that old-fashioned now?

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Arwen wrote:
Don't nuns live in convents?


Nuns are cloistered, sisters are not. Most religious women are sisters, not nuns. Sisters live in convents. I guess nuns can live in convents or monasteries. This group are cloistered nuns, and Sister Noella spoke of being back in the monastery.

Oh. I thought nuns and sisters were the same. So nuns and monks can live together? I thought monasteries would be segregated. I know they don't even let women visit Mt. Athos, in Greece, or Stavrovouni in Cyprus (but they're Greek Orthodox).

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Grace,

Different type Monasteries. Benedictines have Monasteries for men and for women, separate of course. See this from the catholic Encyclopedia (OSV Edition)


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This order includes both men and women religious, and follows the Rule of St. Benedict of Nursia, which was compiled in the first half of the sixth century, being based upon the earlier rules of St. Basil and St. Caesarius of Arles. The first monastery of Benedictines was founded in about 529 at Monte Cassino (approximately eighty miles south of Rome). Later, St. Benedict and his sister, St. Scholastica, established separate monasteries for nuns. The Benedictine Rule, with its emphasis upon obedience to superiors, the importance of the balance between liturgical prayer and manual labor, and the essential value of community life, became the foundation for all of Western monasticism.


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Strictly, the title applies only to women who belong to a religious order with solemn vows. Popularly, this term refers to any religious woman, commonly called “sister.”


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Etymologically, it comes from a Latin word meaning “an assembly or gathering of people.” It means a building or buildings in which a community of religious live. In the United States, it is generally applied to the residence of female religious. Occasionally, it can refer to a corporate monastic community of sisters or nuns.


Also different orders use different terminology, Franciscans live in a "Friary", Dominicans use the term "Priory" as do the Carmelites.

Forms of address also differ. My aunt is a Nun, she is addressed as Sister and lives in a Convent.

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Interesting. Thank you, Bob.

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 Post subject: Re: The Cheese Nun
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The Poor Clare Sisters and the Discalced Carmelites are two examples of nuns who live in monasteries.

http://poorclare.org/

http://www.stanthonyshrine.org/PoorClar ... grill.html

http://www.carmelitesofboston.org/

http://home.earthlink.net/~carmelitesof ... index.html

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 Post subject: Re: The Cheese Nun
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Arwen wrote:
Oh. I thought nuns and sisters were the same. So nuns and monks can live together? I thought monasteries would be segregated.


Nuns and sisters are not the same. There are more sisters than nuns but most people just call sisters nuns.
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As regards their juridical condition, we distinguish (a) nuns properly so-called, having solemn vows with papal enclosure, whose homes are monasteries; (b) nuns belonging to the old approved orders with solemn vows, but taking only simple vows by special dispensation of the Holy See; (c) sisters with simple vows dependent on the Holy See; (d) sisters under diocesan government.


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A Nun is a woman who has taken special vows committing her to a religious life.[1] She may be an ascetic who voluntarily chooses to leave mainstream society and live her life in prayer and contemplation in a monastery or convent. While in common usage the terms nun and sister are often used interchangeably, properly speaking a nun is a female religious who lives a contemplative life of prayer and meditation within a monastery while a sister (in the Christian religions) lives an active vocation of service to the needy, sick, poor, and uneducated.


Nuns and monks do not live together, but both live in monasteries. Sisters live in convents.

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 Post subject: Re: The Cheese Nun
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Does anyone know why some sisters have their own apartments?

Is this by choice or is this a particular order whose charism dictates living alone?

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Dolores Hart was Elvis Presley's costar in "Loving You."
She was also the first girl to kiss Elvis in a picture.

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Mary wrote:
Does anyone know why some sisters have their own apartments?

Is this by choice or is this a particular order whose charism dictates living alone?

Mary


Mary, I've wondered about that too. I know sisters from two different orders who do not live in the convent any more. I don't know why. One of those orders has no one still living in the convent but they don't live alone, they share apartments with other sisters. In that case I just assumed it wasn't possible to look after the convent building anymore.

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I have heard that the orders that are flourishing have three things in common:

1. They live in community

2. They have a common, identifiable habit

3. They have a common mission.

That seems true of the orders I see around here. Orders that do this have a much younger average age than those where the sisters live in apartments, wear lay clothing and follow their own charism.

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They do not pasteurize their milk.


Virtually all varieties of cheese are made from raw milk.

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Sr. Dolores Hart was on EWTN with Fr. Groeschel just recently. It was a good interview, I had not been familiar with her before.

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