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PostPosted: 16 Jan 2013 18:38 
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The FAA has grounded Boeing's 787 Dreamliner after a series of glitches including two fires caused by a Japanese made lithium battery............

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100385850

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United [ Airlines ] said the planes already in the air would land as scheduled :camauro: :twisted: and that it would immediately comply with the FAA order.


Well isn't that nice of them! :)

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PostPosted: 17 Jan 2013 05:33 
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Well isn't that nice of them!



A major "Grounding" is often coupled with a "Now" order which means the nearest airport, so yes it was nice of them.

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PostPosted: 17 Jan 2013 15:05 
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All of Boeing's flagship 787 Dreamliners have been grounded amid safety concerns.

Authorities in Europe, Chile, Ethiopia, India, Japan and Qatar followed the lead of the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) by taking all 787 flights temporarily out of service after a Japanese Dreamliner was forced by a smoke alert to make an emergency landing on Wednesday.



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-18/b ... ed/4470272

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This morning Qantas said it was cancelling an order for a single Dreamliner which it had planned to add to the Jetstar fleet.


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January 16: An ANA Dreamliner passenger plane makes an emergency landing in Japan after smoke is reportedly seen inside the cockpit.
January 14: Japan's transport ministry says it has begun examining the Dreamliner that suffered two fuel leakages in less than a week.
January 13: A Japan Airlines (JAL) 787 suffers a fuel spill for the second time in a week.
January 11: US regulators announce an in-depth safety review of the Dreamliner after a spate of incidents involving the aircraft.
A crack in a cockpit windshield grounds an ANA Dreamliner after a domestic flight in Japan.
An ANA Dreamliner, also on a domestic Japanese flight, experiences a delay due to an oil leak.
January 9: ANA cancels a Dreamliner flight because of a brake problem.
January 8: A Japan Airlines 787 flight to Tokyo is grounded in Boston following a fuel spill.
January 7: A fire breaks out aboard an empty Japan Airlines 787 Dreamliner in Boston.


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PostPosted: 17 Jan 2013 15:18 
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This morning Qantas said it was cancelling an order for a single Dreamliner which it had planned to add to the Jetstar fleet.


Leaving Quantas with 14 Dreamliners on order:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/-/national/15871533/qantas-cuts-dreamliner-order-to-14/

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The airline insists the move is unrelated to recent troubles affecting Dreamliner fleets, which have been grounded by US and Japanese airlines while technical problems are investigated.


Other airlines aren't canceling Dreamliner orders.

Good luck to any airline that does. They'll have to get back in line at Airbus.
Earliest delivery date: 2018 :oops: :( []

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PostPosted: 17 Jan 2013 15:37 
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Other airlines aren't canceling Dreamliner orders.

Good luck to any airline that does. They'll have to get back in line at Airbus.
Earliest delivery date: 2018 according to an airlines expert speaking on CNBC today.

If Dinosaur Breath Airlines cancelled its Dreamliner order,
it would push all other airlines ahead on the waiting list.

Then, if Dinosaur changed its mind, how does Boeing explain to all the other airlines they have to push their timetables back again? Ain't gonna happen.

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Boeing, and the passengers as well, are lucky they were using Lithium Ion batteries and not the more exotic Lithium metal variety. The Lithium metal batteries don't burn, they explode quite violently if shorted either internally or externally.

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PostPosted: 18 Jan 2013 16:51 
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Nice to know that just a battery can down a plane full of people.

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PostPosted: 18 Jan 2013 18:39 
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For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
For want of a horse the rider was lost.
For want of a rider the message was lost.
For want of a message the battle was lost.
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
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PostPosted: 18 Jan 2013 19:00 
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bali wrote:
Boeing, and the passengers as well, are lucky they were using Lithium Ion batteries and not the more exotic Lithium metal variety. The Lithium metal batteries don't burn, they explode quite violently if shorted either internally or externally.


If only they had used electric car battery technology -maybe even employed some solar panel and wind turbine recharging stations with landing strips between airports?

I still await the Boeing Volt although I have a feeling that it will be harder to sell air travel that never gets off the ground as 'progress' even if imposed as a cost effective subsidized improvement as has been the auto industry case...

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PostPosted: 19 Jan 2013 19:00 
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United States aerospace giant Boeing says it has suspended deliveries of its new 787 Dreamliner jets until a battery problem is resolved, but will continue to build the planes.



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-19/b ... es/4472332

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In Washington, the top US transportation official, Ray LaHood, said the 787 would not fly until regulators were "1,000 per cent sure" it was safe. A week earlier, Mr LaHood said he would not hesitate to travel on a Dreamliner.








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Qantas said it cancelled an order for one of 15 Dreamliners earmarked for its budget arm Jetstar.

It said the decision to cancel was taken late last year, before the plane's recent problems. Qantas has options to order 50 of the new generation aircraft.

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PostPosted: 19 Jan 2013 21:28 
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And to think I wanted to fly on one. I think the rare times I fly I end up on forty year old planes.

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It seems from the latest reports the cause is overcharging of the batteries, a problem that should very quickly be resolved by a few engineering changes. Boeing seems to have a flawed engineering review process for such a problem to have ever materialized and it would be wise for the FAA to look into that process; the battery issue is a symptom of a deeper systemic problem in my opinion as a retired aerospace engineer.

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