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A Catholic charity which feeds poor people in Arizona recently turned down a couple thousand dollars from Walmart, saying they would consider it blood money.
This is actually old news, but I keep wondering about whether they were right or not? How --- in Catholic moral theology-- do you work out whether this was the correct thing to do?

Story links:
http://azstarnet.com/business/local/cas ... Wr0.reddit
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepubli ... lmart.html

I think they have a right to accept or reject donations from anyone according to their own judgement, just as a donor has the right to choose what charity they will donate to.

They sound more like a political charity than a Catholic charity.

I will have to read thoroughly the recent Apostolic Letter issued “Motu Proprio” On the Service of Charity, 11 November 2012 which was issued to begin putting an end to the leftist hijacking of Catholic charity efforts and see how this charity fits.

Take the money and use it where it will do the most good, and don't make it into rocket science cause it ain't.

If you were running a Catholic charity, would you accept a donation from Planned Parenthood? Is there anywhere you would draw the line?

I realise you may object, saying that PP would never donate money to a Catholic soup kitchen, so how about a hypothetical, well-known local abortionist? Is it okay to accept money from him?

I was fine with all this Walmart bashing until the comparison with Planned Parenthood! Are you kidding? Whether you like Walmart or not it and Dollar Stores etc. are the only places many can afford to shop and it so because Walmart and the like have the guts to stand up to the union thieves and thugs.

He was trying to illustrate that sometimes you have to refuse money based on where it comes from. He was refuting your point that you have to accept money from wherever it comes from.

I'm explaining this because your statement was not addressing his point, leading me to suspect you did not understand the point he was trying to make.

I'm explaining this because your statement was not addressing his point, leading me to suspect you did not understand the point he was trying to make.

I think this clearly addresses the issue: " it has no right to inject a personal opinion about a donor, a legitimate, law-abiding donor I might add, to the detriment of its stated goal"

David L,

I agree with you on that point, they have every right to do so but on the other hand, I'm not sure that they have a right to present it as a principle involving Catholic theology as that is questionable if that is what they are doing.

I think this clearly addresses the issue: " it has no right to inject a personal opinion about a donor, a legitimate, law-abiding donor I might add, to the detriment of its stated goal"

The Church certainly supports the rights of workers to earn a just wage, have good working conditions, and to organize.

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If you were running a Catholic charity, would you accept a donation from Planned Parenthood? Is there anywhere you would draw the line?...

...Pope Benedict XVI’s directive called ‘On the service of charity’ released Saturday which mandated (ordered) that charitable activities undertaken by the Catholic Church never offend Catholic teaching....

Impossible. That would mean that the Church supports union thieves and thugs.

Art. 1. - § 3. In addition to observing the canonical legislation, the collective charitable initiatives to which this Motu Proprio refers are required to follow Catholic principles in their activity and they may not accept commitments which could in any way affect the observance of those principles.

Art. 10. - § 3. In particular, the diocesan Bishop is to ensure that charitable agencies dependent upon him do not receive financial support from groups or institutions that pursue ends contrary to Church’s teaching. Similarly, lest scandal be given to the faithful, the diocesan Bishop is to ensure that these charitable agencies do not accept contributions for initiatives whose ends, or the means used to pursue them, are not in conformity with the Church’s teaching.

If you wonder who the Pope is addressing see CCHD 2011-2012 Grants Report

Here is their website: http://www.casamariatucson.org/
It looks very good to me. Doesn't look political.

Impossible. That would mean that the Church supports union thieves and thugs.

... they have every right to do so but on the other hand, I'm not sure that they have a right to present it as a principle involving Catholic theology as that is questionable if that is what they are doing.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/bened ... as_en.html

The above provisions take effect as of 10 December 2012.

So does this statement sum up where we are? Is this our conclusion?

This seems mostly about making sure Catholic charities do not involve themselves in supporting abortion, doesn't it?

Papal Frontal Assault

2012-12-04

Hello everyone and welcome to The Vortex where lies and falsehoods are trapped and exposed. I’m Michael Voris.

Every now and then .. Pope Benedict brings out the heavy lumber against abuses. He’s done it with those who would say the Traditional Latin Mass is a thing of the past .. He’s done it with the homosexual priest sex abuse crisis .. he’s done it on the massive lack of proper catechesis on the part of bishops .. he’s done it on liberal, barely still Catholic nuns and now he’s done it against the social justice crowd in the Church that keeps masquerading its liberal modernist agenda under the guise of caring for the poor – which any thinking person knows has been a complete façade for 40 years now.

A short while ago .. he wrote what is officially called a Motu Proprio .. which is Latin for a letter that was written “on his own accord” .. meaning it expresses the mind and heart of the Pope very clearly and came from his pen.

Unofficially .. this one could be called the heavyweight smackdown against the social justice gang roaming the corridors of the Church.

For years now .. faithful Catholics have been pointing to and highlighting massive abuses in the Church’s charitable work where so-called Catholics distribute funds collected from unsuspecting Catholics in the pews and then give that money to groups who directly and indirectly support causes that fly in the face of Catholic teaching.

We here at ChurchMilitant.TV just released last month our Special Report immediately in advance of the US Bishops’ annual collection known as the CCHD .. The Catholic Campaign for Human Development ..which has been rife with abuses for decades.

We’ve attached a link to the program if you would like to see it which spotlights dozens and dozens of such cases like your money going to pro-abortion and pro-same sex marriage groups just to name some of the issues.

Despite boilerplate denials coming from the liberal lay staffers who have manned those offices for years .. and their own fox guarding the hen house internal inspection .. nothing has changed .. with the exception that even MORE anti-Catholic teaching groups have gotten an even larger share of the collection.

Faithful Catholics had had enough. After years and years of complaints being shoved aside and dismissed by more liberal or social justice minded bishops and their staffs both on the diocesan level and the national headquarters in Washington DC .. reports started being transmitted to more friendly ears at the Vatican.

Various private meetings and discussions have been held in the past couple of years not just about the disgraceful situation in America but also in Canada where a mirror of the US problem is plainly visible.

It would appear .. no guarantees .. but in a case of two and two adding up to four .. it would appear that some of those complaints and meetings and discussions have finally found their target .. the Holy Father himself .. who .. politely .. yet nevertheless quite clearly and firmly made known that he is not happy with the abuses and that a new course must be set.

We’ve also attached his Motu Proprio for you to read for yourself which we suggest you take the 10 minutes to do. It is .. frankly .. the most complete and through smackdown of the misunderstanding and misapplication of the Church’s teaching on charity you will find.

You seem blind to evil?

Nice accusation. Yeah, that's exactly what I am.

What does the phrase "charitable agencies dependent upon him [the bishop]" mean?