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PostPosted: 09 Nov 2012 13:20 
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makes me supremely happy and that's the fact that my mailbox is no longer stuffed full of stupid political ads for myself and Doris...the woman who got to vote instead of me because she's registered to vote at my address. How many times does the same politician need to send me different pictures of himself and wife and child or himself looking like he's doing something?

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makes me supremely happy and that's the fact that my mailbox is no longer stuffed full of stupid political ads for myself and Doris...the woman who got to vote instead of me because she's registered to vote at my address. How many times does the same politician need to send me different pictures of himself and wife and child or himself looking like he's doing something?


A notarized affidavit to the Registrar might solve your "Doris" problem.

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Plus the non-stop TV ads about either how good I am and how miserable the other one is.

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PostPosted: 09 Nov 2012 15:00 
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A notarized affidavit to the Registrar might solve your "Doris" problem.


That's a good idea, I think I'll have my landlord sign something and get it notarized. Although, her husband has an aggressive cancer and I'm not sure I want to bother her now but it will be awhile before the next election. There is someone else who gets mail at my address but only from her health insurance so it's not as big a problem but I don't understand why the mail service can't get it right when the mail has been sent back a million times.

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PostPosted: 09 Nov 2012 20:54 
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but I don't understand why the mail service can't get it right when the mail has been sent back a million times.


Just think the same type people will soon be managing our Health Care.

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PostPosted: 09 Nov 2012 22:52 
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Plus the non-stop TV ads about either how good I am and how miserable the other one is.

I heard from friends and family in the States that the nastiness of the ads was a new low.
Then I came across articles like this:
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According to a political advertising analysis done by the Wesleyan Media Project, Americans have been subjected to more than $800 million worth of presidential campaign ads alone, with more than 80% of them, they say, negative.
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Dr. Seyb says candidates run them, first, because there's no penalty for it, but secondly, because they work, especially on so-called low involvement voters, people who don't follow campaigns very closely and get their information from the ads.
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The Washington Post reports that President Obama spent $457 million on campaign ads, compared to $356 million for Mitt Romney. The Post also reports 85% of the president's ads were negative, while 91% of Romney's were negative

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Plus the non-stop TV ads about either how good I am and how miserable the other one is.

I heard from friends and family in the States that the nastiness of the ads was a new low.

That would depend on where you live. Bob live in one of the "battleground" states. Where I live we did not see a lot of TV ads about the presidential candidates, negative or otherwise. OTOH, we had a lot of contentious ads about state and local candidates and especially ballot propositions.

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PostPosted: 10 Nov 2012 10:51 
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but I don't understand why the mail service can't get it right when the mail has been sent back a million times.


Just think the same type people will soon be managing our Health Care.
It has previously been noted that government health care will combine the efficiency of the post office and the compassion of the IRS. :(

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That would depend on where you live. Bob live in one of the "battleground" states. Where I live we did not see a lot of TV ads about the presidential candidates, negative or otherwise. OTOH, we had a lot of contentious ads about state and local candidates and especially ballot propositions.


Grace the ads here in Florida were virtually non-stop. Every Channel all day long since the Primary, once the Convention was over (and that was right down the road from me) the ads got even worse. I have never seen it so bad. Add to that the Robocalls and the survey calls and the calls from wives and what not it was really bad.

I got into an argument with my brother who is ill, I called him several times one day to see how he was, finally called his cell phone and he told me that he wasn't answering the phone because of the political calls. I was so mad I hung up on him and never asked how he was.

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Just think the same type people will soon be managing our Health Care.


Bob,

Unfortunately for the seniors, they won't be managing much but how to tell doctors to pull the plug and turn off the switches so they peacefully relieve us of their health problems.

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Just think the same type people will soon be managing our Health Care.


Bob,

Unfortunately for the seniors, they won't be managing much but how to tell doctors to pull the plug and turn off the switches so they peacefully relieve us of their health problems.


I will post an armed guard on my wife's hospital room door, and maybe she will do the same for me.

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Plus the non-stop TV ads about either how good I am and how miserable the other one is.

I heard from friends and family in the States that the nastiness of the ads was a new low.

That would depend on where you live. Bob live in one of the "battleground" states. Where I live we did not see a lot of TV ads about the presidential candidates, negative or otherwise. OTOH, we had a lot of contentious ads about state and local candidates and especially ballot propositions.


Our house in SW Colorado gets the New Mexico news channels because of some geographic rules that affect Sat-TV, they were nearly devoid of Obama/Romney hate ads but were loaded with state and local hate ads. Our primary home near Denver was a prime outlet of the Obama/Romney hate ads. I once counted 10 minutes of ads for 5 minutes of program but normally it was 5 and 5, all day, all night. If our politicians are this moronic and uncivil during the campaign how can we expect better after the election?

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. If our politicians are this moronic and uncivil during the campaign how can we expect better after the election?


I had similar thoughts.

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. If our politicians are this moronic and uncivil during the campaign how can we expect better after the election?


I had similar thoughts.

But probably most of the ads came from PACS rather than the candidates or their campaigns.

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A good percentage yes, but not all of them.

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LASaxman wrote:
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. If our politicians are this moronic and uncivil during the campaign how can we expect better after the election?


I had similar thoughts.

But probably most of the ads came from PACS rather than the candidates or their campaigns.


When I hear I'm "President Obama or Mitt Romney and I approve this ad" it tells me it came from them, ghost writers or not.

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bali wrote:
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. If our politicians are this moronic and uncivil during the campaign how can we expect better after the election?


I had similar thoughts.

But probably most of the ads came from PACS rather than the candidates or their campaigns.


When I hear I'm "President Obama or Mitt Romney and I approve this ad" it tells me it came from them, ghost writers or not.

Davids point is that many of the worst ads came from PACs which were not endorsed by the candidates nor did the ad endorse a candidate. It was just tearing down the other guy.

The point is still valid though. It speaks ill of their character that they behave this poorly in the campaign, so it is unreasonable to expect their behavior to be excellent once elected.

Ultimate blame lies with the electorate. We elect those that behave most poorly during elections, those willing to say the worst things about their opponents and twist the truth most. Applies to both sides, too.

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Kardinal wrote:
bali wrote:
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. If our politicians are this moronic and uncivil during the campaign how can we expect better after the election?


I had similar thoughts.

But probably most of the ads came from PACS rather than the candidates or their campaigns.


When I hear I'm "President Obama or Mitt Romney and I approve this ad" it tells me it came from them, ghost writers or not.

Davids point is that many of the worst ads came from PACs which were not endorsed by the candidates nor did the ad endorse a candidate. It was just tearing down the other guy.

The point is still valid though. It speaks ill of their character that they behave this poorly in the campaign, so it is unreasonable to expect their behavior to be excellent once elected.

Ultimate blame lies with the electorate. We elect those that behave most poorly during elections, those willing to say the worst things about their opponents and twist the truth most. Applies to both sides, too.


I think in any other setting the Libel lawsuits would fly like snowflakes.

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Still, the Electorate perceives they have but two options.

Pax et bonum,

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Still, the Electorate perceives they have but two options.

Pax et bonum,

They don't in the primaries. But they still tend to reward the people most willing to act poorly even in the selection process.

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How much of negative campaigning is detraction and calumny and how much is legitimate reflection on the record of the candidates in question?

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How much of negative campaigning is detraction and calumny and how much is legitimate reflection on the record of the candidates in question?

Pax et bonum

80/20? :-)

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