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If he really wanted to cause more trouble for Egptian Christians he probably chose the right way to do it.

Yep. That is why I wonder what the real story is behind all this, and I wonder why the state-controlled TV in Egypt ran it for several days in the run up to the violence.
It is almost like the Egyptian government wanted to stir the pot. I don't think we will ever know the truth.

The Obama administration’s Benghazi response continued to unravel at the House Oversight Committee hearing today, as State Department officials struggled unsuccessfully to get their stories straight.

Ambassador Patrick Kennedy defended UN Ambassador Susan Rice’s claim on September 16 that the attack was part of a spontaneous protest that erupted over an anti-Islam video, saying that anyone at the State Department would have said the same thing as Rice based on the intelligence available at the time. “If any administration official, including any career official, were on television on Sunday, September 16, they would have said what Ambassador Rice said. The information she had at that point from the intelligence community is the same that I had at that point,” said Kennedy.

But, as Republicans on the Oversight Committee pointed out, that appears to contradict Kennedy’s comments from a September 12 unclassified briefing, when he reportedly called it a terrorist attack.

Another State Department official, Charlene Lamb, wrote in her prepared testimony (but did not read aloud) that she was able to monitor the attack “in almost real-time” once a Diplomatic Security agent activated the imminent danger notification system. Yet she didn’t explain why the State Department and other administration officials initially said spontaneous protests were responsible for the attack, if there had been officials monitoring it in real-time.

...community organizing 101 --something the Obama administration trained our enemies in doing well as part of the Arab Spring effort.

I have even heard a rumor that it was terrorists behind producing and circulating a version of the "stupid film" for the very purpose of orchestrating discord, outrage, and disorder -community organizing 101 --something the Obama administration trained our enemies in doing well as part of the Arab Spring effort...

Daniel,



Naturellement! And the Moslem-communist elitist commando squads were trained personally by a dark lady named Michelle. The Beetles prophetically wrote of these events in their song, Michelle, Ma Belle. Community organising 101 is now a hot subject at the University of Qom (it's part of the Faculty of Islamic Theology). There are plans to expand the course.

(1) State Department, NED, Soros & CIA orchestrate Election riots in Belarus - Israel Shamir
(2) Cable VILNIUS 000732 - US Embassy on courier bringing USAid to NGOs
(3) Soros conference on Belarus organized by Open Estonia Foundation
(4) Belarus declares Soros Foundation not eligible for tax concessions, fines it $3 million
(5) Soros says his Foundations "will not play by Mr. Lukashenko's rules"
(6) Guardian's misleading headlines attempt to sway Belarus election against Lukashenko - Shamir
(7) Iran's Fear Of A George Soros-Funded "Velvet Revolution"
(8) Soros funding Iran opposition. Iran calls him "Jewish tycoon and the mastermind of ultra-modern colonialism"
(9) State Dep't organizes Youth Movements for further Color Revolutions, with Google & Facebook
(10) State Dep't sponsors Alliance of Youth Movements for REGIME CHANGE
(11) The Wikileaks-Egypt-White House-US Government Connection
(12) Egypt protests: secret US document discloses support for protesters
(13) Hillary confirms that State Dep't funded Egyptian labor unions
(14) NYT traces Arab revolutions to Gene Sharp, Peter Ackerman's ICNC & Stephen Zunes
(15) Middle East uprisings take cue from Gene Sharp's guide to non-violent revolution
(16) Egypt's April 6 Youth Movement modelled on Optor (links to Gene Sharp & NED) - Eric Walberg
(17) Video game teaches how to conduct a large-scale peaceful protest
(18) A page from a Leaflet distributed to Egyptian protestors
(19) Songs and chants to rally the demonstrators
(20) Russian military: "Airstrikes in Libya did not take place"
(21) Al Jazeera reports about Libyan jets firing on protesters are "unverified and questionable"
(22) Castro & Chavez say US is fomenting unrest in Libya
(23) "Progressives" paving the way for a US takeover of Libya?
(24) Peter Singer calls for military intervention in Libya
(25) I.S.O. Trots arrested for plotting Egypt style protest in Zimbabwe
(26) International Criminal Court launches probe of Gadhafi
(27) China on guard against protests inspired by uprisings in North Africa & MidEast

Of course you've read that Mr. Romney wants the US to give arms and aid to the rebels in Syria.

This stuff was barely reported by the US media...

The man behind the anti-Islam video blamed for sparking widespread protests in the Muslim world has been jailed for one year for breaching the terms of his probation for a previous offence.

Mark Basseley Youssef will serve the sentence in federal prison after he admitted four allegations of using false identities, violating the terms of his probation for a bank fraud conviction in 2010.

The 55-year-old was identified as the main man behind the film, Innocence of Muslims...

supress his First Amendment right of free speech.

Your first amendment means nothing to the rioters
Please dont cause more mayhem by not respecting other religions

Your first amendment means nothing to the rioters
Please dont cause more mayhem by not respecting other religions

It is still our first amendment, please understand that

I understand that, but dont you feel that something must be done to prevent a repeat.

I understand that,but dont you feel that something must be done to prevent a repeat.

I believe that the responsibility for Muslim actions lies with Muslims.

It is still our first amendment, please understand that

I understand that,but dont you feel that something must be done to prevent a repeat.

There are too many people who take to large scale violence on the smallest pretext

There is ignorance of the great goodness of the USA.There are people out there who would like to malign you and paint you as haters of Islam.

A small film resulted in so much death

I dont know if what happened in Libya was preplanned

It is very painful for me to see such madness.One has to be careful with Muslims,Hindus because it takes only a small spark to cause a fire

That is their problem

Why is Islam seamingly governed by the fringe elements?

Sometimes fire burns those who set it.

I see things differently,one should not instigate moslems, hindus by mocking their religion.If you do then dont blame them for violence against your people in their countries

According to your line of reasoning, we would be justified to do so

Simon,

Freedom of speech is 99% percent protected, only a very few areas are restricted such as yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater. Along with the freedom of speech is freedom of expression such as burning the American Flag. The Supreme Court has decided that is free speech, and I support that. I also suggest that doing it in my presence might be harmful to your health but that is another topic.

We cannot restrict someone's right to speak freely because it annoys someone, or even because it mocks someone's religion; that is just not the way the US Operates.

I fully agree that things like this film do no good and common sense should dictate that they not be made, but the law can never restrict it.

What would you suggest?

the law can never restrict it.

NO one here has said your country is backwards, what has been explained is American Law

The editor and publisher of a major Indian newspaper have been arrested for "hurting the religious feelings" of Muslims after they reprinted an article from
The Independent. Ravindra Kumar and Anand Sinha, the editor and publisher of the Kolkata-based English daily The Statesman, appeared in court yesterday charged under section 295A of the Indian Penal Code which forbids "deliberate and malicious acts intended to outrage religious feelings".

There are active "anticonversion" laws in five of the 28 states: Gujarat, Orissa, Chhattisgarh, Madhya Pradesh, and Himachal Pradesh. Although Arunachal Pradesh enacted its law in 1978, the government has yet to frame the rules needed for enforcement. Gujarat has a Freedom of Religion Act (2003) and Rules (2008) that proscribed religious conversions by means of allurement, force, or fraud. At the end of the reporting period, no court date had been set for the challenge by civic groups of the constitutional validity of the Gujarat legislation. There were reports of arrests but no convictions under these laws during the reporting period.

The relevance of my posting the above articles in this thread is to show that there are many countries that have backward societies.Its just the type of world we live in.Can this be ignored or wished away?
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