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PostPosted: 19 Apr 2012 05:20 
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I was asked, and didn't know, what would happen if people from a self-help group showed up at confession to satisfy one of their 12 steps which is to admit wrongs to another person. I was asked if a person has to be a Catholic to go to confession. Hopefully the Priest can sort it out when they get there. I said it probably can't hurt the Church but hold off on sending any more until you know.

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PostPosted: 19 Apr 2012 06:26 
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I think that to received Sacramental absolution of sin, a person must be Catholic to confess, or be preparing for entrance into the Church via RCIA. If a person feels the need to confess but is not Catholic, IMO, they should make the priest aware of this fact. I'm not sure what the priest will say, but perhapds Dean or Father will chime in.

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PostPosted: 19 Apr 2012 06:28 
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There can be exceptions (grave necessity - or someone entering the Church) yet one does need to be validly baptised. But, given the conditions you mentioned and the section you requested the information - it's probably best to present some information in this format.


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Holy Baptism is the basis of the whole Christian life, the gateway to life in the Spirit (vitae spiritualis ianua), and the door which gives access to the other sacraments. Through Baptism we are freed from sin and reborn as sons of God; we become members of Christ, are incorporated into the Church and made sharers in her mission: "Baptism is the sacrament of regeneration through water in the word."
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When, in the Ordinary's judgment, a grave necessity arises, Catholic ministers may give the sacraments of Eucharist, Penance, and Anointing of the Sick to other Christians not in full communion with the Catholic Church, who ask for them of their own will, provided they give evidence of holding the Catholic faith regarding these sacraments and possess the required dispositions.
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§2. Whenever necessity requires it or true spiritual advantage suggests it, and provided that danger of error or of indifferentism is avoided, the Christian faithful for whom it is physically or morally impossible to approach a Catholic minister are permitted to receive the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick from non-Catholic ministers in whose Churches these sacraments are valid.

§3. Catholic ministers administer the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick licitly to members of Eastern Churches which do not have full communion with the Catholic Church if they seek such on their own accord and are properly disposed. This is also valid for members of other Churches which in the judgment of the Apostolic See are in the same condition in regard to the sacraments as these Eastern Churches.

§4. If the danger of death is present or if, in the judgment of the diocesan bishop or conference of bishops, some other grave necessity urges it, Catholic ministers administer these same sacraments licitly also to other Christians not having full communion with the Catholic Church, who cannot approach a minister of their own community and who seek such on their own accord, provided that they manifest Catholic faith in respect to these sacraments and are properly disposed.

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PostPosted: 19 Apr 2012 06:49 
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First, the purpose of the sacrament of penance is to receive absolution for post-baptismal sins committed. For a self-help group to attempt to use the sacrament for any other purpose (e.g. as simply to fulfill one of the steps of a 12-step process) would seem to be inappropriate at best, if not at worst sliding along the path to sacrilege.

Second, only baptized persons can be validly admitted to the other sacraments, including Penance.

Third, those receiving the sacraments need to be properly disposed toward them and also educated in their purpose.

Finally, Canon 843:

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§4. If the danger of death is present or if, in the judgment of the diocesan bishop or conference of bishops, some other grave necessity urges it, Catholic ministers administer these same sacraments [Penance is one of them, along with Eucharist and anointing of the sick] licitly also to other Christians not having full communion with the Catholic Church, who cannot approach a minister of their own community and who seek such on their own accord, provided that they manifest Catholic faith in respect to these sacraments and are properly disposed.


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§5. For the cases mentioned in §§2, 3, and 4, the diocesan bishop or conference of bishops is not to issue general norms except after consultation at least with the local competent authority of the interested non-Catholic Church or community.


Notice the requirements:

1) Danger of death or other grave necessity (as determined by the diocesan bishop, not the minister)
2) The person must still be validly baptized
3) The person cannot approach a minister of their own community (pretty difficult to imagine, in the case of a 12-step program, which doesn't specify, IIRC, that the admission be made to a minister)
4) The person must manifest Catholic faith in the sacrament and be properly disposed

In other words, sure, a Catholic struggling with addiction and properly disposed (i.e. repentant and seeking absolution of all sins) may fulfill this step of the program by going to confession (and confessing all sins he is aware of, not just the sins associated with addiction), but not non-Catholics.

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PostPosted: 19 Apr 2012 07:07 
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I would also add further...

1) All of the other sacraments are oriented to the Eucharist and bound with it. If the Eucharist is not even a consideration in the minds of non-Catholic Christians or the unbaptized, then would it not seem inappropriate for the sacrament of Penance to be "used" for some purpose other than reconciliation with God and the Church in order to receive the Eucharist?

2) Another purpose of the sacrament of Penance is to reconcile the sinner with the Church -- rather difficult to do when the person (particularly a non-baptized person) is not a member of the Church to begin with.

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PostPosted: 19 Apr 2012 07:18 
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Several priests in the Pittsburgh area used to be available for the 12 step requirement. One I remember was St. Paul's Monastery up on the top of Polish Hill. They would receive anyone who wanted to do the necessary step as long as you called the priest ahead of time and informed him of your need. Those who were Catholic received absolution. Others received a blessing for healing. Many priests and clergy are aware of this need and make themselves available.

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PostPosted: 19 Apr 2012 07:49 
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SCHULTZZKOPF wrote:
Several priests in the Pittsburgh area used to be available for the 12 step requirement. One I remember was St. Paul's Monastery up on the top of Polish Hill. They would receive anyone who wanted to do the necessary step as long as you called the priest ahead of time and informed him of your need. Those who were Catholic received absolution. Others received a blessing for healing. Many priests and clergy are aware of this need and make themselves available.


That is a good solution, although the distinction is that non-Catholics are not "going to confession," as in, receiving the sacrament. For a confessor to make himself available to hear admissions would be a good thing, as long as the distinctions are made.

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I guess part of the reason for wanting to do it 'in confession' is that there is a 100% guarantee of confidentiallity.

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Julie R wrote:
I guess part of the reason for wanting to do it 'in confession' is that there is a 100% guarantee of confidentiallity.

Would the guarantee of confidentiality still apply for a non-Catholic, since it would not be a sacrament? Would the priest still be bound not to report it if a non-Catholic admitted, say, a murder?

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PostPosted: 19 Apr 2012 12:16 
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Dean wrote:
SCHULTZZKOPF wrote:
Several priests in the Pittsburgh area used to be available for the 12 step requirement. One I remember was St. Paul's Monastery up on the top of Polish Hill. They would receive anyone who wanted to do the necessary step as long as you called the priest ahead of time and informed him of your need. Those who were Catholic received absolution. Others received a blessing for healing. Many priests and clergy are aware of this need and make themselves available.


That is a good solution, although the distinction is that non-Catholics are not "going to confession," as in, receiving the sacrament. For a confessor to make himself available to hear admissions would be a good thing, as long as the distinctions are made.


The non-Catholics know the difference but like most people doing that step they are so anxious and nervous to reveal to anyone their deepest secrets that they most likely wouldn't think of any religious connotation with the event. For Catholics it usually goes a little easier since they have been in the cubicle before.

I have heard non-Catholics brag that they do not have to confess to a priest - they confess directly to God. I am quite sure that God hears their confession and forgives them yet, there is a big difference. After the sacrament of reconciliation I feel so different, so free so fresh, ready to begin anew. I don't get quite the same feeling confessing directly to God. The Answer? The sacrament has power in it. It is real and affects body and soul. I am so grateful to be Catholic.

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retsinab wrote:
Julie R wrote:
I guess part of the reason for wanting to do it 'in confession' is that there is a 100% guarantee of confidentiallity.

Would the guarantee of confidentiality still apply for a non-Catholic, since it would not be a sacrament? Would the priest still be bound not to report it if a non-Catholic admitted, say, a murder?
I think that in the U.S. any confidential discussion with a clergyman is protected. As I recall, in the O. J. Simpson case he had a conversation with Rosey Grier. Grier flatly refused to testify and was upheld by the judge. The conversation may have been overheard by a guard and he was not allowed to testify.

The prosecutor asked Grier a couple of questions, and Grier just stared at him, saying nothing. The prosecutor then said, "You aren't going to answer me are you." Grier continued to stare at him, and he got the message.

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PostPosted: 19 Apr 2012 12:54 
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If I go to confession and, for some reason, Father does not see fit to grant absolution, that confession is still considered as sub rosa. I remember the powerful example of a priest, whose name I sadly forget, spending 25 years in Siberia for murder after refusing to testify against the murderer who had accused *him*.

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PostPosted: 20 Apr 2012 20:09 
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Thank you, All, for the help with my question. The person who asked me is a returning Catholic and probably wanted to share his new found happiness with anyone who might benefit. It sounds like it just didn't occur to him until later that the Church might not allow everyone who wants to, to come to confession. I don't know whether he was saying the Sacrament can be "used" this way, or whether he told them something more like, if you really want to make a good and healthy confession go to a Priest, but there was the connection to fulfilling that step of their program.

I was surprised, but shouldn't have been, to learn that there are Priests who have been already making themselves available to people for that step of the 12 step program. I imagine it would be hard for a Priest to keep offering that without the hope that someone would want to learn about the Sacrament of Penance and the other Sacraments and to enter the Church if they hadn't already. Perhaps some have come into the Church that way.

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Anne,

Priests are quite accustomed to being unthanked.

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