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In what manner might we laity grieve the Holy Spirit?


Mary

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"Those who encounter the Risen Jesus
and entrust themselves docilely to him have nothing to fear.
This is the message that Christians are called to spread
to the very ends of the earth." Benedict XVI

My understanding is that "grieving the Holy Spirit" means offending the Holy Spirit by sinning.

Eph 4:22 To put off, according to former conversation, the old man, who is corrupted according to the desire of error.
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in spirit of your mind:
Eph 4:24 And put on the new man, who according to God is created in justice and holiness of truth.
Eph 4:25 Wherefore, putting away lying, speak ye the truth, every man with his neighbour. For we are members one of another.
Eph 4:26 Be angry: and sin not. Let not the sun go down upon your anger.
Eph 4:27 Give not place to the devil.
Eph 4:28 He that stole, let him now steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have something to give to him that suffereth need.
Eph 4:29 Let no evil speech proceed from your mouth: but that which is good, to the edification of faith: that it may administer grace to the hearers.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God: whereby you are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness and anger and indignation and clamour and blasphemy be put away from you, with all malice.
Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another: merciful, forgiving one another, even as God hath forgiven you in Christ.

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In Christ
Kim, M



"....abstinence and chastity, dispose man very much to the perfection of intellectual operation.” St Thomas Aquinas

By sinning and not listening to the prompts of The Holy Spirit

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Simon

Kim and Simon...thank you for your in comments; they are appreciated.

However, what I'm hoping to find is the Doctrine the Church teaches regarding
"Grieving the Holy Spirit".

Who knows, maybe we are all thinking the same as Simon is...on the other hand, maybe we've never had the proper catechesis concerning "Grieving the Holy Spirit".



Mary

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"Those who encounter the Risen Jesus
and entrust themselves docilely to him have nothing to fear.
This is the message that Christians are called to spread
to the very ends of the earth." Benedict XVI

As far as I know, the Church does not have a special doctrine on "grieving the Holy Spirit" but the common usage implies that sin grieves the Holy Spirit (metaphorically of course).

Here are 2 examples:

......and after having received the gift of the Holy Ghost, have not feared knowingly to violate the temple of God and to grieve the Holy Spirit. And it is in keeping with divine clemency that sins be not thus pardoned us without any satisfaction, lest seizing the occasion and considering sins as trivial and offering insult and affront to the Holy Spirit, we should fall into graver ones....
Council of Trent

And He will give thee gifts of grace of every kind, if thou grieve Him not by sin; for it is written, And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye were sealed unto the day of redemption.
St Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lecture 17

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In Christ
Kim, M



"....abstinence and chastity, dispose man very much to the perfection of intellectual operation.” St Thomas Aquinas

The Holy Spirit is a Person who gets hurt?

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Simon

No- and that is why it is a metaphor.

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In Christ
Kim, M



"....abstinence and chastity, dispose man very much to the perfection of intellectual operation.” St Thomas Aquinas

Kim and Simon, when you read this I suggest you do it listening only to the voice of the Holy Spirit.

Acts, chapter 1

The Promise of the Spirit. In the first book, Theophilus, I dealt with all that Jesus did and taught until the day he was taken up, after giving instructions through the holy Spirit to the apostles whom he had chosen. He presented himself alive to them by many proofs after he had suffered, appearing to them during forty days and speaking about the kingdom of God. While meeting with them, he enjoined them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for “the promise of the Father about which you have heard me speak; for John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the holy Spirit.”

The Ascension of Jesus. When they had gathered together they asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going* to restore the kingdom to Israel?” He answered them, “It is not for you to know the times or seasons that the Father has established by his own authority. But you will receive power when the holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, throughout Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” When he had said this, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him from their sight. While they were looking intently at the sky as he was going, suddenly two men dressed in white garments stood beside them. They said, “Men of Galilee, why are you standing there looking at the sky? This Jesus who has been taken up from you into heaven will return in the same way as you have seen him going into heaven.” Then they returned to Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, a sabbath day’s journey away.

The First Community in Jerusalem. When they entered the city they went to the upper room where they were staying, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James son of Alphaeus, Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James. All these devoted themselves with one accord to prayer, together with some women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.


Mary

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"Those who encounter the Risen Jesus
and entrust themselves docilely to him have nothing to fear.
This is the message that Christians are called to spread
to the very ends of the earth." Benedict XVI

To be honest my condition is that the seed(Word Of God) has fallen on bad ground.In my family no one takes the Word Of God seriously-so it is something I do on my own.I have told our Parish Priest that there are some who prefer parties To Mass.He told me that this is pride where God is not given the Glory due to Him.I am also very trustful of God in this situation .
For me the sign of the Holy Spirit is peace.I have also, last August, been for a retreat ,where anointing of the Holy Spirit took place.- I think the thread is" Slain by the Spirit"

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Simon

Simon, I remember reading that...I believe I responded to it. Sounds like you are already open to the Holy Spirit's promptings!


Mary

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"Those who encounter the Risen Jesus
and entrust themselves docilely to him have nothing to fear.
This is the message that Christians are called to spread
to the very ends of the earth." Benedict XVI

Mary
Just some good news - a very distant relative of mine - a priest recently returned with a Doctorate from Rome has agreed to assist me.I am at peace .

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Simon

Simon, what a blessing...for both of you!

...and possibly us too, who knows?


Mary

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"Those who encounter the Risen Jesus
and entrust themselves docilely to him have nothing to fear.
This is the message that Christians are called to spread
to the very ends of the earth." Benedict XVI