Catholic Online Forum

The first interactive Catholic Forum on the web
It is currently 21 May 2013 11:37

All times are UTC - 8 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 4 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: 22 Jan 2013 13:04 
Offline
Master Member
Master Member
User avatar

Joined: 28 Jul 2003 21:49
Posts: 7736
Location: Los Angeles, California
I struggle with this concept and have for decades.

I asked the question on FB, addressed to my liberal brother and his friends, why it was acceptable for Reverend Martin Luther King Jr (for those non US citizens, his day was a Federal and in some places, a state holiday yesterday) to advocate for civil rights when his conviction about of non violent resistance was formed by his Christian faith. Obviously trying to get the liberals on my page to defend their constant argument that Catholics and other believers have no right to "impose" their faith based beliefs on the rest of society.

I used the term because it was relevant and I suspected the intended target would have no idea what I was talking about and was hoping that the fact that I had no idea what I was talking about would never surface and really it hasn't. But, since it's an opportunity to speak the truth and since this something I constantly strive to understand, I came here hoping for someone to come along and give me a short explanation that I can understand and convey to people with no religious convictions of any sort...or so they think but that's another story. Of course, right now everyone is screaming about abortion but that is not something I specifically want to discuss on FB because I long ago decided there was no point as nobody's mind was about to change...not mine and not theirs.

_________________
Valerie Garcia
vals1990@yahoo.com

"Listen, O my son, to the precepts of thy master, and incline the ear of thy heart, and cheerfully receive and faithfully execute the admonitions of thy loving Father, that by the toil of obedience thou mayest return to Him ....." St. Benedict


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 22 Jan 2013 14:47 
Offline
Master Member
Master Member
User avatar

Joined: 10 Jul 2003 13:32
Posts: 4936
Maybe not succint; however, here are a couple references to get started with.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Natural Law

Dictionary : NATURAL LAW - Catholic Culture:

Quote:
NATURAL LAW

As distinct from revealed law, it is "nothing else than the rational creature's participation in the eternal law" (Summa Theologica, 1a 2ae, quest. 91, art. 2). As coming from God, the natural law is what God has produced in the world of creation; as coming to human beings, it is what they know (or can know) of what God has created.

It is therefore called natural law because everyone is subject to it from birth (natio), because it contains only those duties which are derivable from human nature itself, and because, absolutely speaking, its essentials can be grasped by the unaided light of human reason.

St. Paul recognizes the existence of a natural law when he describes the moral responsibility of those ancients who did not have the benefit of Mosaic revelation. "Pagans," he says, "who never heard of the Law but are led by reason to do what the Law commands, may not actually 'possess' the Law, but they can be said to 'be' the Law. They can point to the substance of the Law engraved on their hearts--they can call a witness, that is, their own conscience--they have accusation and defense, that is, their own inner mental dialogue" (Romans 2:14-15).

_________________
Daniel

"Do you think that I have come to establish peace on the earth? No, I tell you, but rather division." -- Luke 12:51


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 22 Jan 2013 19:39 
Offline
Master Member
Master Member
User avatar

Joined: 10 Dec 2003 01:07
Posts: 14648
Location: Sydney, Australia
Val,

Quote:
...for those non US citizens, his day was a Federal and in some places, a state holiday yesterday


Not to sound patronising, but you might enjoy this

Quote:
One place outside the United States where Martin Luther King, Jr. Day is observed with equal importance is in the Japanese city of Hiroshima under mayor Tadatoshi Akiba, who holds a special banquet at the mayor's office as an act of unifying his city's call for peace with King's message of human rights.[28]

The City of Toronto, Canada, is another city that has officially recognized Martin Luther King Jr. Day, although it is not a paid holiday in Toronto, and all government services and businesses remain open.[29]

In 1984, during a visit by the U.S. Sixth Fleet, Navy chaplain Rabbi Arnold Resnicoff conducted the first Israeli Presidential ceremony in commemoration of Martin Luther King, Jr. Day, held in the President's Residence, Jerusalem. Mrs. Aura Herzog, wife of Israel's then-President Chaim Herzog, noted that she was especially proud to host this special event, because Israel had a national forest in honor of Dr. King, and that Israel and Dr. King shared the idea of "dreams".[30] Resnicoff continued this theme in his remarks during the ceremony, quoting the verse from Genesis, spoken by the brothers of Joseph when they saw their brother approach, "Behold the dreamer comes; let us slay him and throw him into the pit, and see what becomes of his dreams." Resnicoff noted that, from time immemorial, there have been those who thought they could kill the dream by slaying the dreamer, but – as the example of Dr. King's life shows – such people are always wrong.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mlk_day

_________________
James Daly

"It is the Lord." (Jn 21:7)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: 27 Jan 2013 17:36 
Offline
Master Member
Master Member
User avatar

Joined: 28 May 2007 18:14
Posts: 4746
More on Natural Law:


1954 ..........The natural law
expresses the original moral sense which enables man to discern
by reason the good and the evil, the truth and the lie:

The natural law is written and engraved in the soul of each
and every man, because it is human reason ordaining him
to do good and forbidding him to sin . . .

1955 ......... The natural law states the first and essential
precepts which govern the morallife.
It hinges upon the desire for God and submission to him, who
is the source and judge of all that is good, as well as upon the sense
that the other is one's equal. Its principal precepts are expressed in

the Decalogue. This law is called "natural," not in reference to the
nature of irrational beings, but because reason which decrees it
properly belongs to human nature:
..........
The natural law is nothing other than the light of understanding
placed in us by God; through it we know what we
must do and what we must avoid. God has given this light
or law at the creation.


1956 The natural law, present in the heart of each man and
established by reason, is universal in its precepts and its authority
extends to all men. It expresses the dignity of the person and
determines the basis for his fundamental rights and duties:

For there is a true law: right reason. It is in conformity with
nature, is diffused among all men, and is immutable and
eternal; its orders summon to duty; its prohibitions turn
away from offense. . . . To replace it with a contrary law is a
sacrilege; failure to apply even one of its provisions is
forbidden; no one can abrogate it entirely.
...............
1958 The natural law is immutable and permanent throughout
the variations of history; it subsists under the flux of ideas and
customs and supports their progress. The rules that express it
remain substantially valid. Even when it is rejected in its very
principles, it cannot be destroyed or removed from the heart of
man. It always rises again in the life of individuals and societies:


Theft is surely punished by your law, O Lord, and by the law
that is written in the human heart, the law that iniquity itself
does not efface.
.............

1960 The precepts of natural law are not perceived by everyone
clearly and immediately. In the present situation sinful man needs
grace and revelation so moral and religious truths may be known
"by everyone with facility, with firm certainty and with no admixture
of error." The natural law provides revealed law and grace
with a foundation prepared by God and in accordance with the
work of the Spirit
.

CCC


............... the Holy Father went on, "there is an urgent need to reflect upon the question of natural law and to rediscover its truth" which "is common to all mankind. ... This law has as its first and most general principle that of 'doing good and avoiding evil'," from which "derive all the other more specific principles that regulate ethical judgements on the rights and duties of everyone."

These include: "the principle of respect for human life from conception to natural end," because "life is not the property of man but a gratuitous gift of God;" and "the duty to seek the truth, a necessary supposition for all authentic human maturation." Another of the principles is human freedom, which since it "is always shared with others, ... can only be found in that which is common to everyone: the truth of human beings, the fundamental message of existence itself, in other words the 'lex naturalis'."

Pope Benedict also dwelt upon the need for justice and solidarity, values expressed in "obligatory norms that do not depend upon the will of the legislator, nor even upon the consensus that States may give them. They are, in fact, norms that precede any human law and as such they cannot be repealed by anyone."
"Natural law," he affirmed, "is the source from which, along with fundamental rights, flow ethical imperatives that must be honored. Modern legal ethics and philosophy reveal the widespread influence of the postulates of juridical positivism. As a consequence legislation often becomes a mere compromise between various interests; there is an attempt to transform into law private interests or desires that clash with the duties deriving from social responsibility.
"In this situation, it is well to recall that all legal systems, both internal and international, ultimately draw their legitimacy from their rooting in natural law, in the ethical message inscribed in human beings themselves. ... Knowledge of this law ... increases with the development of moral conscience. The primary concern for everyone, and especially for those charged with public responsibilities, must then be that of promoting the maturation of moral conscience."

http://www.ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=75831

_________________
In Christ
Kim, M



"....abstinence and chastity, dispose man very much to the perfection of intellectual operation.” St Thomas Aquinas


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 4 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 8 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group