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Val

Post subject: Bowing at the name of Jesus

Posted: 03 Jan 2013 09:11

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Our former associate pastor, who came to us newly ordained, always bowed at the name of Jesus in the creed and Gloria and so some friends began to do so. I sometimes do it because my mother did it but it always confused me a bit because Jesus's name is said throughout Mass but a bow is not made every time. We bow at the name of the trinity at the end of psalms in the Liturgy of the Hours.

Does this go back to the old Mass in Latin or is it some part of current rubrics that most people in my parish at least, don't observe?

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Seamas O Dalaigh

Post subject: Re: Bowing at the name of Jesus

Posted: 03 Jan 2013 15:27

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Val,

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...Jesus's name is said throughout Mass but a bow is not made every time

It should be. And the priest and deacon should raise their birettas as they do so.

During Mass it is correct to bow every time the Most Holy Name is mentioned, every time the three persons of the Trinity are mentioned by name, every time the Mother of God is mentioned by name and every time the reigning Pope is mentioned by name. One also bows during the Gloria at the adoremus te (making three bows in all during the Gloria); at the simul adoratur during the Credo, and of course, a profound bow at the et incarnatus.

After a little while you'll find it becomes habitual and you don't even think about it.

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gabriel

Post subject: Re: Bowing at the name of Jesus

Posted: 03 Jan 2013 16:02

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I think also one is also supposed to bow at the name of the Saint, if any, who is honored in that mass.

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Seamas O Dalaigh

Post subject: Re: Bowing at the name of Jesus

Posted: 03 Jan 2013 16:05

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Joe,

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I think also one is also supposed to bow at the name of the Saint, if any, who is honored in that mass.

It is my understanding that applies only if Mass is being celebrated in a church dedicated to that particular saint.

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Rose West

Post subject: Re: Bowing at the name of Jesus

Posted: 03 Jan 2013 16:23

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I was taught by the sisters in grade school to try to remember always to bow my head at His name. I sort of had it filed under what Fr. Z calls "ancient pious practices."

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Val

Post subject: Re: Bowing at the name of Jesus

Posted: 06 Jan 2013 13:57

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James,

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One also bows during the Gloria at the adoremus te (making three bows in all during the Gloria); at the simul adoratur during the Credo, and of course, a profound bow at the et incarnatus.

Huh?

I guess I have to up my bowing practices.

How about bowing, while kneeling, when the priest genuflects to the Lord after consecration? I do it and I started it because Tony Liotta mentioned it as being from the old Mass. But, maybe I hallucinated the whole thing and shouldn't do it because it's a posture reserved to the priest?

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Julie R

Post subject: Re: Bowing at the name of Jesus

Posted: 06 Jan 2013 15:16

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Click here: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07420b.htm

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(Confraternity of the Most Holy Name of God and Jesus).

An indulgenced confraternity in the Catholic Church. The primary object of the society is to beget due love and reverence for the Holy Name of God and Jesus Christ. The secondary object is to suppress blasphemy, perjury, oaths of any character that are forbidden, profanity, unlawful swearing improper language, and, as far as the members can, to prevent those vices in others (Pius IV, 13 April 1564). It had its origin in the Council of Lyons, 1274, which prescribed that the faithful should have a special devotion to the Holy Name of Jesus, that reparation might be made for insults offered to it by Albigenses and other blasphemers.

The Dominican connection explains why I do it ;-)

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Seamas O Dalaigh

Post subject: Re: Bowing at the name of Jesus

Posted: 06 Jan 2013 16:15

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Val,

I remember that conversation (as I carefully remember every conversation I was privileged to have with the most excellent Mr Liotta).

There are no rubrics on what the laity should do. My own habit since childhood is to bow slightly at the words of institution, to gaze at the elevated Host in adoration, and to bow deeply at the third bell as the Host is lowered.

Given that there are no rubrics, you are free to do as you think fit and appropriate.

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Peebee

Post subject: Re: Bowing at the name of Jesus

Posted: 09 Jan 2013 04:31

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Rose,

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I was taught by the sisters in grade school to try to remember always to bow my head at His name. I sort of had it filed under what Fr. Z calls "ancient pious practices."

So was I and I suspect a few years before you, as I was catechised in the 1940's. I was also taught as James Daly to look up and say "My Lord and My God" when the Host and Chalice are raised at the Consecration, and then to bow. I do it to this day and I suppose it could be referred to as a pious practice.

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bali

Post subject: Re: Bowing at the name of Jesus

Posted: 09 Jan 2013 11:28

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First a Scriptural reference:

Philippians 2:10
Douay-Rheims Bible
"That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those that are in heaven, on earth, and under the earth":

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"...so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth."

Then a comment: I was taught to always bow my head at Jesus' name, I try but admit to be occasionally lax especially during the Rosary. The priests at our parish are very lax and, as one would expect, the congregation is as well. I feel this should be a topic of more than one sermon per year and more strongly that the clergy should set the example.

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