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JMJ

Grace, isn't it beautiful? I am glad you liked it. That storied shrine is in the hearts of many Chinese Catholics who long for the day of their liberation. The board index pic is going to change now but you can always go to the Sheshan thread when you need the pic. viewtopic.php?f=47&t=62948 I especially like that she is depicted as crushing the red dragon while holding the baby Jesus for all the world to see him and rejoice (moms always multitask for the good of the family!).

As we were given our Savior and all His graces through Mary, we have always crushed our enemies -from heresies to invading armies - through the same Mother of God, Help of Christians and Queen of Martyrs. I have no doubt that the rebirth of China will come under the name of Mary.

And btw I renew my invitation: if anybody has images of a given saint they would like to see on our board index on the day of his or her liturgical feast, you are welcome to send them to me (make them no bigger than 500x500, thanks!).

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FabrizioParty like it's 1773

No one can be at the same time a good Catholic and a true socialist (Pius XI)

Stupendo!

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-Lou (Louis)

ORA et LABORA
Totus Tuus
Cacciatore/Fungaiolo

I was made aware that not everybody can see the pic currently on the Board Index, but I was unable to determine whether that's due to that specific pc or if it's the format of the pic or what have you. Do many of you have this problem?

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FabrizioParty like it's 1773

No one can be at the same time a good Catholic and a true socialist (Pius XI)

Fabrizio, I do not see the current picture and I also never see an English translation of the comments below the picture.


Mary

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"Those who encounter the Risen Jesus
and entrust themselves docilely to him have nothing to fear.
This is the message that Christians are called to spread
to the very ends of the earth." Benedict XVI

Mary, I'll try with another version of that pic if I can find one.

The "comments" below the picture are a quote from the Gospel - more infrequently from other parts - of the Mass for that Sunday or the Mass to which the picture refers, as indicated - chapter and verse - at the beginning of each quote, so that anybody can find it in their Bible or missalette and savor it as it sounds in the language of the Church. The hope is that more participants and occasional lurkers will feel incentivized to prepare for Mass by giving a look to the readings of the coming sunday or solemnity/feast (a link to the USCCB webpage with daily readings is also available above the picture). In this case it is the final part of St. Thomas Aquinas' sequence Lauda Sion which - hopefully - we all have heard today (or last thursday, depends), at least in a vernacular translation.

Above the picture, we also have the original version of the Introit of that Sunday's Mass. Why? Because the the words and the sound of the Introit have been for centuries familiar to countless Catholics, so much so that certain Introits would give their name to the whole Mass. Unfortunately, in way too many parishes the Introit is skipped altogether these days. As the Pope noted just recently, liturgy shapes not only the spirituality of the generations, but even their culture. It's impossible to understand our civilization fully without these words and these sounds. But above all it's COL forum's small contribution to Benedict XVI's "hermeneutic of continuity and reform".

So, you heard the translation at Mass. Here we have the editio typica version from the actual Roman Missal used by the Pope, of which the vernacular missals should be a faithful translation.

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FabrizioParty like it's 1773

No one can be at the same time a good Catholic and a true socialist (Pius XI)

edited. Can you see it now?

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FabrizioParty like it's 1773

No one can be at the same time a good Catholic and a true socialist (Pius XI)

Yes, it's very clear...and very, very beautiful. I just made a nice copy of it for my prayers.


Since I prefer the Ordinary Form, and since I'm an ancient greatgranny, I no longer have a clue as to what an Introit is...?



Mary

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"Those who encounter the Risen Jesus
and entrust themselves docilely to him have nothing to fear.
This is the message that Christians are called to spread
to the very ends of the earth." Benedict XVI

JMJ

Mary, I should have used the less "technical" term of Entrance Chant (introitus means "entrance"). Forgive this non-native speaker of English. Every Mass - in both forms, Ordinary and Extraordinary - has its own entrance chant as per Roman Missal and it is supposed to be sung at the beginning of the Mass when the priest approaches the altar.

From the GIRM: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congr ... le_en.html

The Extraordinary Form has rules that are somewhat stricter but the idea is the same. Note that all of the above means that the people should know what the Roman Gradual and the Simple Gradual are and be able to sing from them, as per Vatican II's Constitution Sacrosanctum Concilium...

Maybe this thread could interest you: viewtopic.php?f=54&t=65133 I am trying to present the "by the book" versions of the Entrance Chants of the Sundays of the liturgical year

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FabrizioParty like it's 1773

No one can be at the same time a good Catholic and a true socialist (Pius XI)

Fabrizio, aha...now I know why what my pastor says before Mass, is so incredibly powerful.

He says, "Before we begin Mass, let us take a moment to put ourselves consciously in the presence of God".

There have been several times when I had the impression that we would all ascend to Heaven.

Thank you,

Mary

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"Those who encounter the Risen Jesus
and entrust themselves docilely to him have nothing to fear.
This is the message that Christians are called to spread
to the very ends of the earth." Benedict XVI

Fabrizio,



Exactly.

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James Daly

"It is the Lord." (Jn 21:7)

Frabrizio and James, I think you might like this comment from Fr. Z. sometime back:




Mary

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"Those who encounter the Risen Jesus
and entrust themselves docilely to him have nothing to fear.
This is the message that Christians are called to spread
to the very ends of the earth." Benedict XVI

Mary,

There's a lot in that.

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James Daly

"It is the Lord." (Jn 21:7)

James, yes, even more than a plethora.

And if it weren't for your comment on what Fabrizio said,
I would not have thought to post it at this time.


Mary

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"Those who encounter the Risen Jesus
and entrust themselves docilely to him have nothing to fear.
This is the message that Christians are called to spread
to the very ends of the earth." Benedict XVI

I was wondering, why is there a sword in St. Simon Stock's shoulder and why is one of the angels holding an arrow in the picture 'Our Lady of Mt. Carmel and the Saints'?

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Ad majorem Dei gloriam,
Mary
"You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body."--C.S. Lewis
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you"--Jeremiah 1:5
"Give thanks to the Lord for He is good, and His mercy endures for ever!"--Psalm 107:1

I couldn't find anything in a quick search on his life, but I believe St. Simon is a martyr for the faith, and portraits of saints tend to show the means of their martyrdom.

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Rose West
"May God help us not to spoil His work" (Bl. Mother Theresa)

Mary,

St Simon Stock was a mystic. The sword is through his heart, signifying mystical experience. The women in the painting are St Teresa of Avila and St Mary Magdalene of Pazzi, two other Carmelite mystics. The man standing is, I think, St John of the Cross.

Are you familiar with Bernini's statue of St Teresa of Avila? Her heart is also being pierced.

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James Daly

"It is the Lord." (Jn 21:7)

Ah, there it is.

Does that tradition have to do with the Sacred and Immaculate Hearts being pierced?

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Rose West
"May God help us not to spoil His work" (Bl. Mother Theresa)

JMJ

Friends,

have you read the explanation beneath the picture (is it visible)?

The man standing is St. Simon Stock receiving the scapular from Jesus. The other saint is St. Angelus of Jerusalem Martyr, (AKA St. Angelus of Sicily) and the sword signifies the way he was killed, since he was murdered by his time's "openminded" dissenters from papal "authoritarianism", the Cathars. St. Angelus was from a family of Jewish converts of Jerusalem and was famous for his miracles. So much so that he had to hide to avoid the crowds besieging him wherever he went. He was told by God to leave the Holy Land for Italy and preach against heresy, which he did.

His work as a preacher, his miracles and his martyrdom are credited with the success of the Carmelite order in Italy.

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FabrizioParty like it's 1773

No one can be at the same time a good Catholic and a true socialist (Pius XI)

Fabrizio,

Thanks for the explanation. (And no, we can't see it.)

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James Daly

"It is the Lord." (Jn 21:7)

you don't see the caption under the picture

??

Because I've tried from several different PCs and even an iPhone and it was always visible.

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FabrizioParty like it's 1773

No one can be at the same time a good Catholic and a true socialist (Pius XI)

I see it.

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Bob C

I see the caption, too, but it does not explain clearly the picture until you helped us out. I tried to google Pietro Novelli and Our Lady of Mount Carmel and Saints yesterday to see if there is a description of the painting, but found none.

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Ian DC
Blessed Ever Virgin Mary -- Sanctuary and resting-place of the Blessed Trinity where God dwells in greater and more divine splendour than anywhere else in the universe

Oooooo.... I love this one! The only writing I can understand is "Stella Maris." What do some of the other Latin phrases mean?

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Grace

As to the past, let us entrust it to God's mercy, the future to Divine Providence. Our task is to live holy the present moment. - Saint Gianna Molla

Ha, ha! Great post!

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Sincerely,
Phil
catholic-talk.org

I cannot find a description of this painting. What does the Latin say and who is the man lying underneath St. Augustine? Is it supposed to be Satan?

Here is the painting, since the Board Index Image changes frequently.

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Grace

As to the past, let us entrust it to God's mercy, the future to Divine Providence. Our task is to live holy the present moment. - Saint Gianna Molla

JMJ

Grace,

that is not the devil, but Averroes, a Muslim philosopher - and a cruel persecutor of Christians - who was (and still today is) an inspiration and a source for heretics and haters of the Catholic faith which St. Thomas expounded like no other could to this day. For more on the iconography of that painting see here viewtopic.php?p=800374#p800374

the Latin words mean "You wrote well about me, Thomas". It is a reference to a vision St. Thomas had once while meditating before the crucifix on the mystery of Transubstantiation and asked the Lord to give him a sign that He approved of his theology. He entered ecstasy and Jesus said to him "Bene scripsisti de me, Thoma: quam mercedem accipies?" ("You have written well of me, Thomas: what reward will you accept?"). To which the Doctor Angelicus replied: "Non alia nisi te, Domine" ("None other than Yourself, O Lord.").

the other sentences are taken from the homily the Pope (John XXII) gave for the canonization of St. Thomas: VERE HIC EST LUME[N] ECCLESI[A]E (“Truly, here is the light of the Church”) and HIC ADINVENIT OMNEM VIA[M] DISCIPLIN[A]E which is a reference to Baruch 3,37 (He found out all the way of knowledge, and gave it to Jacob his servant, and to Israel his beloved.)

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FabrizioParty like it's 1773

No one can be at the same time a good Catholic and a true socialist (Pius XI)

Fabrizio,
Thanks so much. God bless you!

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Grace

As to the past, let us entrust it to God's mercy, the future to Divine Providence. Our task is to live holy the present moment. - Saint Gianna Molla

JMJ

You are most welcome!



St. Augustine? You mean St. Thomas right?

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FabrizioParty like it's 1773

No one can be at the same time a good Catholic and a true socialist (Pius XI)