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Arwen
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I hope this is not upheld.

UK Catholics might lose charitable status for not offering communion to everyone
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...the group denied charitable status to the Plymouth Brethren, a small denomination of conservative evangelicals. MP Charlie Elphicke has said that the Charity Commission has stepped outside its mandate telling the Brethren that their religion is “not necessarily for the public good”.

In a letter to the community, the Commission wrote of a tribunal decision that found “there is no presumption that religion generally, or at any more specific level, is for the public benefit, even in the case of Christianity or the Church of England”.

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If it is upheld, the rule could be extended to the Catholic Church which also officially restricts Communion reception to members.

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Arwen wrote:
I hope this is not upheld.

UK Catholics might lose charitable status for not offering communion to everyone
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...the group denied charitable status to the Plymouth Brethren, a small denomination of conservative evangelicals. MP Charlie Elphicke has said that the Charity Commission has stepped outside its mandate telling the Brethren that their religion is “not necessarily for the public good”.

In a letter to the community, the Commission wrote of a tribunal decision that found “there is no presumption that religion generally, or at any more specific level, is for the public benefit, even in the case of Christianity or the Church of England”.

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If it is upheld, the rule could be extended to the Catholic Church which also officially restricts Communion reception to members.


Let me see; Intentional Sacrilege or loss of a tax exemption, I think I know which way to go. Government (UK and US) threats of repealing our tax exemption is becoming tiresome, let them do and they have nothing left, so, let them do it. We can shift from monetary parish aid to material and labor, that should drive them crazy for a few years; barter is not yet taxed in the US although they periodically make attempts so to do.

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I'm with BobA. It's time for the Bishops to stop worrying about this stuff, bring it on and at least in the US we'll see you in court.

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Let me see; Intentional Sacrilege or loss of a tax exemption, I think I know which way to go. Government (UK and US) threats of repealing our tax exemption is becoming tiresome, let them do and they have nothing left, so, let them do it. We can shift from monetary parish aid to material and labor, that should drive them crazy for a few years; barter is not yet taxed in the US although they periodically make attempts so to do.

I believe barter is taxed if the IRS can prove that you profited.

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http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc420.html

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Topic 420 - Bartering Income

Bartering occurs when you exchange goods or services without exchanging money. An example of bartering is a plumber doing repair work for a dentist in exchange for dental services. You must include in gross income in the year of receipt the fair market value of goods and services received in exchange for goods or services you provide.

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LASaxman wrote:
http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc420.html

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Topic 420 - Bartering Income

Bartering occurs when you exchange goods or services without exchanging money. An example of bartering is a plumber doing repair work for a dentist in exchange for dental services. You must include in gross income in the year of receipt the fair market value of goods and services received in exchange for goods or services you provide.


However if no tangibles are transferred nor profit realized there is nothing to tax. Does the IRS tax those who receive food from Food Banks or those who receive shelter from missions? We would place the parishes in a state of need not unlike those homeless we currently provide for, some already are, and support them through charitable donations of time and talent. Such an approach may not last forever but it would take a lot of court battles to beat down.

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The issue is already over. The Charity Commission is answerable to the Public Administration Select Committee, of which Charlie Elphicke is a member.

(Before entering parliament Charlie Elphicke was a tax lawyer.)

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James, is that what you understood from the article? Or have you read something else?

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LASaxman wrote:
bali wrote:
Let me see; Intentional Sacrilege or loss of a tax exemption, I think I know which way to go. Government (UK and US) threats of repealing our tax exemption is becoming tiresome, let them do and they have nothing left, so, let them do it. We can shift from monetary parish aid to material and labor, that should drive them crazy for a few years; barter is not yet taxed in the US although they periodically make attempts so to do.

I believe barter is taxed if the IRS can prove that you profited.


There was quite an expansive black market under the Communists in the USSR -I see the same developing here in the US...

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There was quite an expansive black market under the Communists in the USSR -I see the same developing here in the US...



There is a huge underground economy in the United States already and though much of it is related to illegal immigrants living under the wire and living a cash existence, it's not all. I believe my landlord's handyman is a legal citizen, at least I have no reason to assume he's not and he's a very nice man and extremely hard working but everything he's done for my landlord is cash payment with no income reporting and that's a very basic and common example.

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When I went to Arizona to sell my mother's house the realtor had a crew come in to do some fix up work and straighten out the yard work...they were really good. All were Spanish speaking, I was told that they had to be paid in cash.

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James, is that what you understood from the article? Or have you read something else?


Both.

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I was told that they had to be paid in cash.


By all means pay them in cash if that's what they want... then tell the IRS.

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I was told that they had to be paid in cash.


By all means pay them in cash if that's what they want... then tell the IRS.



No I would not do that, I know I should but these people are just trying to survive, they did good work at a much lower price then I expected.

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Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
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I was told that they had to be paid in cash.


By all means pay them in cash if that's what they want... then tell the IRS.



No I would not do that, I know I should but these people are just trying to survive, they did good work at a much lower price then I expected.

And here I thought you were a law & order guy. :tsk:

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And here I thought you were a law & order guy.



I am, but I am not the IRS.


I was 90% sure these were undocumented workers, but I was not going to turn in some guy who did an excellent job because of his questionable immigration status. Also I had no evidence of any crime, just suspicions.

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