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PostPosted: 21 Jun 2012 01:49 
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I mentioned this monstruous "Liverpool Care Pathway" before (viewtopic.php?p=794581#p794581 and viewtopic.php?p=738810#p738810) and it seems to be producing its inevitable effects. This is in no way an exclusively UK problem. All over Europe, when they are not killed directly like in the Netherlands or Belgium (terminal children included) the joint pressure of the pro-euthanasia ideology and the inevitably collapsing single-payer systems causes elderly patients to be simply left to die, sent home with a painkiller and that's it (AKA "rationing"). This is what is going on all across Europe, from Sweden to Italy, from London to Madrid. I am actually waiting for the scandal to explode in Italy (the best healthcare system in the world and/or consistently among the top 3 according to the WHO, so it must be true right? :roll: ) where authorities and frankly the people are in denial about the widespread passive euthanasia of elderly patients generated by the national healtcare's inefficiency and the cultural drift towards euthanasia. What's worse is that you can now hear people not just denying it, but in fact agreeing with it because after all, what's the point of curing a 70 y.o. when we need resources for younger people? And, aren't we too many on this planet? All the polluting CO2 produced to keep these mummies alive another month? Come on! Where's your environmental conscience? You can hear Catholics saying these things.

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Professor Patrick Pullicino has claimed that doctors are using a care pathway designed to help make people's final days more comfortable as an equivalent to euthanasia.
The Liverpool Care Pathway (LCP) is used in hospitals for patients who are terminally ill or are expected to die imminently. Under the pathway, doctors can withdraw treatment, food and water while patients are heavily sedated.
Almost a third of patients - 130,000 - who die in hospital or under NHS care a year are on the LCP.
Professor Pullicino said he believed the LCP was being used as an "assisted death pathway" with patients placed on the LCP without clear evidence, according to the the Daily Mail.
The senior consultant at East Kent Hospitals told the Royal Society of Medicine he had personally intervened to have a 71-year-old man taken off the LCP and be treated successfully, despite claims he was expected to die within hours or days. He had arrived in hospital with pneumonia and epilepsy.

"I removed the patient from the LCP despite significant resistance," he said. "His seizures came under control and four weeks later he was discharged home to his family.
"The lack of evidence for initiating the Liverpool Care Pathway makes it an assisted death pathway rather than a care pathway."
Professor Pullicino said the 71-year-old man lived for another 14 months before he suffered pneumonia again and was admitted to a different hospital. He was put on the LCP and died five hours later.

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PostPosted: 21 Jun 2012 19:21 
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Fabrizio,
Earth-defenders are eyeing not just the old but also the fat.
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ATHENS, Ga. (CBS Atlanta) – A recent study conducted by scientists in London found that the obese persons of the world are playing an increasingly large role in the rate at which the planet’s finite resources are used.
“Increasing population fatness could have the same implications for world food energy demands as an extra half a billion people living on the earth,” the study concluded.

The findings were published in the BMC Public Health journal earlier this year.

Research was conducted based on the theory that the body mass of a population should be factored into the amount of energy it burns, in addition to the number of people residing in a certain region.


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Not surprising, though certainly tragic and sad.

And both types of people start with "o": old, and obese.

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This seems to be a logical next step for those who do not value human life.

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An evolving death panel for obesity.

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a federal health advisory panel on Monday recommended that all obese adults receive intensive counseling in an effort to rein in a growing health crisis in America.

That too many Americans weigh far too much is indisputable. That they need counseling in order to find out why they are fat and what they can do about it ... well, less so. One suspects that most overweight people have heard the old mantra of "eat less; exercise more." Why, one wonders, should it require "intensive" counseling to get this message across? Is it that hard to understand?

And, then, there is the question of costs and who pays them.


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PostPosted: 26 Jun 2012 16:47 
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Marie,

I don't understand how this relates to death panels. All insurance companies rate premiums based upon the same sort of underwriting statistics that life insurance companies use. How much you weigh or whether or not you smoke or abuse alcohol all go into the equation. It seems fair since it is insurance and the insurance company is taking a greater risk in insuring an already unhealthy person just as automobile insurance companies take a greater risk insuring someone with speeding tickets. And, I'm saying this as fat person with bipolar who will never get private insurance unless Obama care goes through and I'm not even in favor of requiring insurance companies to take those with pre-existing conditions. It has nothing to do with trying to kill fat people.

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PostPosted: 27 Jun 2012 02:48 
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Val,

I think the difference lies in the principle and the moral/economical consequences of disregarding basic moral/economic principles, beginning with subsidiarity.

Let's leave aside, for a moment, the cases of obesity depending on a pathology which was not caused by the behavior of a patient who is currently unable to pay without fault of his own. In a just economic system based on freedom and responsibility, a person could choose to be overweight and to pay accordingly. In the system mentioned in the article, even a person who could afford both his own diet and insurance - and would be free to make responsible choices anyway - would end up being denied treatment or forced into "programs" whose effectiveness is, to say the least, disputable and which have to be paid for by the rest of citizens who could use the money for their own families and their own needs, and probably spare some to donate to charities.

In a just system, physically able people - who will not get food-stamps and subsidies unless they really need them and will not be able to use them to buy tons of cheetos to watch basketball on HD TVs instead of going out to get a job - will have to think carefully if they want to freely choose to be without an insurance plan for themselves and their children. Which they will do if the system will keep forcing everybody else to be poorer in order to pay for the comfortable poverty of some politicians' constitutents. Have you seen the stats on the overwhelming corruption in these government programs? All while tons of decent people in real need struggle daily to get by. That of course also requires an economy that has all sorts of jobs to offer to all sorts of differently skilled people to begin with. And of course the rule of law protecting individuals, doctors and companies from the government causing costs and prices to skyrocket because of its meddling with the patient-doctor relationship. That, btw, is also what causes many to renounce or cease buying health insurance earlier in their lives because of the unnecessarily higher costs. And that too has consequences later in life.

And because most people won't be able to afford the individual mandate Washington will end up imposing a single-payer system which the pollyannas of the right and the liars of the left claim is "not in the law". Been there done that. The single-payer gov't-run system will never pay for its costs and death-panels (under different names of course) will have to work overtime to weed out valueless patients from decaying state-run hospitals, or to punish those who don't want to hear about physical re-education programs. It's what goes on in most of the single-payer countries the World Health Organization ranks as the best in the world for healthcare, where truly greedy cronies of the government create thousands of bogus semi-private healthcare clinics funded by the various departments to implement the "programs" created by the fertile minds of "experts" and big academia sociologists. You don't want to end up in the hands of those, trust me.

The need to control costs is the practical cause of the government diktats (the ideological cause is another). And yet reliable economic calculus is impossible in a centrally planned economy, and much less heathcare, because of the inherent nature of economics that require adherence to reality. Be as it may, once the government can tell you what to buy, how much to charge or pay for it, what a condition even is, based not on reality but on ideological criteria concocted by Ivy Leauge theoreticians, then what cannot the government do to you? There's nothing it can't do to you.

A government that dictates what is mandatory or prohibited for you to do in order to provide healthcare services makes it impossible for Churches, doctors, communities and companies to freely engage in charitable services to help those who are really in need. Btw they will always be a smaller number than what you have when the government decides to "help" and multiplicates destitution and misery in the process. And then the government will blame the disasters it will have caused on the "greed" or the "fundamentalism" of companies, Churches and individuals. Finally, because the failure of such systems has always been and will always be inevitable, they will have to resort to rationing and decide who gets treated and who doesn't in hopes to show a profit (and it won't work anyway).

In a free system, on the contrary, for the most part the legitimate self-interest of individuals and companies who are truly free to operate in the healthcare field coincides with the best possible services offered at the lowest possible price, because they want to make a name for themselves and attract more customers, not to kill them, and their profits allow donations and investments that end up benefitting those who can't afford anything. And if you don't like one company, you'll call another. Or you might even skip insurances altogether and pay the hospital directly, cash, on a case by case basis, if you can afford it. Not many can now, because the system has been crippled, in the US, since at least FDR. But it's still better that it is going to be, and above all still reformable in a more equitable and humane way with few rational legislative passages. Once Obamacare is in place, you can kiss decent healthcare goodbye. Trust me, I've spent my life in the hell they call "affordable healtcare" which nobody can afford and which kills the elderly and the poor like mosquitoes at the first winter freeze.

Without wanting to dare comment on personal situations of which I know next to zero, the main reason why you'll never get insurance unless something change is because of Obamacare and because of 50 years of government tampering with the rights of patients, doctors and companies. Because of the absurd, unnecessary costs Obamacare imposes on individuals and companies, millions of Americans are already losing the coverage they had. And many more will lose it to the lies about the need to cover some citizens currently without health insurance (regardless of why they are without it. What Obamacare will give you will be the opportunity of being evaluated by a panel of bureaucrats who will decide if you aren't too old and too ill to receive a cost-effective treatment or - as Obama incredibly told Jane Sturm about her 90+ y.o.mother who needed treatment and was willing to pay for it - maybe they'll give you "a pill" and send you home because "we can't base healthcare on subjective judgements" about the value of your life(!!).

With the government out of the equation we don't have to make such inhumane choices: the minority of people who would not have coverage would be basically divided in two groups: those who chose to spend their (or someone else's) money and time otherwise and those who could resort to the excellent healthcare services provided either by the Catholic Church (the inventor of healthcare services long before government departments and subsidies were even conceived) or by professionals working for charitable institutions.

Of course there will always be some people who without fault of their own will not manage to benefit from the advantages of a free system. But we can keep their number as low as possible. It is however immoral to deny opportunities and rights to everybody becuase somebody might end up being cut out of the system. In the former case the misery of many would be directly depending on immoral policies, when not planned to increase dependency on the government, in the other case the misery of some would be the unintended consequence of human fallibility and sin, which we canno legislate out of existence. And even then I doubt that such people would be without recourse in a truly free society. However imperfectly, historical experiences show that abject misery and destitution almost disappear when freedom reigns.

Here's a picture I think I showed before. it's the Pellegrinaio of Siena's ancient hospital Santa maria della Scala. it's the part of the hospital where poor pilgrims who could neither pay nor work received full room and board. The administration of the hospital was a monument to Christian charity, succesful entrepeneurship and self-government. It was created by small-businessmen and the clergy of the Cathedral of Siena. No, neither Siena nor Italy had a Healthcare Department at the time and this was not the only hospital of its kind. It was so profitable that the hospital could bail out the municipality in case of need! They had money to invest in other profitable businesses and create countless jobs in the process while creating more and more charitable services. Not a single bureaucrat, "expert", agency involved in the process. Not a penny of taxpayer money wasted (not even required, actually). A free and virtous society will always take care of itself very efficiently in the fields that pertain to the free initiative of citizens.

Today, tourists pay to take snapshots of the frescoes painted 6-8 centuries ago for the spiritual well-being of patients right where they would be changed, clothed and spoon-fed daily by friars and volunteer penitents. The quality of the medical services was of course the best available at the time. Where we put museums for the pleasure of stunned, paying tourists, they'd change diapers back then. Excellence is ordinary, in a free world, because we're children of God.

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PostPosted: 27 Jun 2012 07:57 
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Val wrote:
I don't understand how this relates to death panels.


Val - (How are you? :) )

I said "evolving" death panel because that's how they all start.

In the 1960's the peddlers of death (the UN, USAID, Planned Parenthood, Time magazine among others) convinced us that the earth's space and resources are finite and at the rate the population was "exploding," there would be a square-meter space left for each human being to stand on (no kidding!) by the turn of the century (year 2000.) That didn't happen, of course, but the idea of "population control" never went away; instead it evolved into the now "respectable" contraceptive and abortion industries. (And some say, the promotion of homosexual relationships since they do not reproduce.)

I was in college in the 1960s and the dangers of communism (as warned by Our Lady of Fatima) was a big issue among Catholic students in the Philippines. We were told that in China, many old and decrepit people were being persuaded to accept death as a "patriotic act" in order to give room to the coming generations. There were even reports that bodies of those who were compassionately killed were composted into fertilizer. We were shocked just to think of it, but when Mao Tse Tung supporter Dr. Han Suyin (author of "Love is A Many Splendoured Thing") lectured us in class about communism, she did not deny the reports.

Nowadays, the threat of "population bomb" no longer sells, but concern for the earth as a "living being" is at its highest. Some politically savvy factions have also made earth ecology and regard for every green thing into a religion. Earth has become so sacred that human life can now be sacrificed for its continuity. Contraception, abortion, and euthanasia have become acceptable even in the west.

What's scary seems to be in the future people who are deemed no longer economically, politically or ecologically useful may be dispensed with. It would seem that candidates for the patriotic act of self-extermination would logically be the elderly, the permanently disabled, the mentally deficient, the obese, alcoholics, tobacco addicts and other addicts (but not yet marijuana addicts, since they are politically powerful), the weird, the criminals and other undesirables - and the very poor, because there are so many of them.

I believe that human rights are endowed by our Creator and not by government or the UN. If we allow our government to persuade us (and eventually dictate) on what should be done to our bodies (what to eat and not, what to drink, how and when to exercise, etc.), what would prevent government to dictate what we do with our souls?

And just because something is legal and considered a "right" (such as abortion and contraception) it does not mean taxpayers and insurance buyers should pay for it. Marriage, too, is legal, but we should not be forced to pay for weddings.

If Obamacare insurance obliges taxpayers/insurance buyers to pay for abortion, what would prevent it from having us pay for euthanasia once it becomes legal?

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Dehydrate dementia patients to death to save money: British Medical Journal editorial
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July 16, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) – The courts should not interfere with doctors who want to dehydrate to death incapacitated patients who are a drain on scarce financial resources, according to an editorial in this week’s edition of the prestigious British Medical Journal.

Raanan Gillon, emeritus professor of medical ethics and former chairman of the Institute of Medical Ethics governing body, wrote that a ruling last year by the High Court against dehydrating an incapacitated patient to death was “profoundly disturbing” because it took the life and death decision-making power out of the hands of doctors and required that the principle of the “sanctity of life” take precedence over other considerations.

The judgment, he said, “threaten[s] to skew the delivery of severely resource-limited healthcare services towards providing non-beneficial or minimally beneficial life prolonging treatments including artificial nutrition and hydration to thousands of severely demented patients whose families and friends believe they would not have wanted such treatment”.

He complained that the ruling required that, under the “stringent” Mental Capacity Act, in order to remove “life prolonging treatment” like a feeding and hydration tube, the patient himself must have left a legally binding “advance decision” in writing, and that previous casual or unrecorded statements to relatives were not sufficient grounds.

The editorial, titled, “Sanctity of life law has gone too far,” said that unless it is overturned, the court ruling “will gradually and detrimentally distort healthcare provision, healthcare values, and common sense.”

Bottom line: at some point you've lived enough and you must let the government redistribute your right to life, it would be unfair to think otherwise, we cannot stand in the way of progress, comrade.

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Fabrizio,

Isn't the bottom line the fact that the Court's ruling stands?

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Last year an English judge ruled, with the explicit approval of the president of the Court of Protection, that under the rules of that court all patients in a minimally conscious state must be referred to the Court of Protection if life prolonging treatment by artificial nutrition and hydration is to be withheld or withdrawn. Moreover, the judge emphasised that in deciding whether such withdrawal would be in these patients’ best interests it would “be wrong to attach significant weight” to their previously expressed values, wishes, and views unless these had been expressed in a legally valid and applicable advance decision. What should be given great “though not absolute” weight was the sanctity of life. The judge said (paragraph 230), “[given] the importance of the sanctity of life, and the fatal consequences of withdrawing treatment, and the absence of an advance decision that complied with the requirements previously specified …



http://www.bmj.com/content/345/bmj.e4637

It would seem that the present position is that the sanctity of life should be given great weight.

The author of the vile editorial is retired.

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Palliative care association reluctantly reviews UK death pathway; pro-lifers skeptical
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LONDON, October 31, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) – A group of pro-life physicians and other professionals, as well as the Catholic archbishop of Southwark, and innumerable patient’s families, are now being joined by the UK Health Secretary in calling for a thorough, independent review of the reported abuses of the Liverpool Care Pathway, a controversial end-of-life medical care protocol. A public outcry is growing after news media have revealed that doctors are using the LCP as a method of passive euthanasia, in some cases for financial reasons.

Now it has been announced that the Association of Palliative Medicine (APM) has ordered a review into the concerns, to be organised by the National End of Life Care Programme, an NHS affiliate that has recently defended the use of the LCP. The news comes as a surprise after the calls for a review had been dismissed by public health officials.

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