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What do you think are the high points of Benedict XVI's papacy? What will he be most remembered for? What did he accomplish, or fail to accomplish, during his short reign? How will history remember him, besides being the first pope to resign in 600 years?

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I have listened to many of his Wednesday messages and his other offerings and have been very impressed with his brilliance of choosing the most appropriate wording for these poignant messages. He was spot on every time. I gained much good from his insight. He showed his love for us and his love for God. I shall miss these gems of wisdom and goodness.

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Highlights of the reign of Benedict, hm (will we now have to start saying 'of happy memory' when he's retired the name while still very much alive??):

He finished the *establishment* of the reforms under John Paul. Although saintly and a mighty Pope, John Paul was no administrator.

He did a lot of ecclesiastical housekeeping that no-one else seemed willing or even able to accomplish - again, including his esteemed and personally very holy predecessor.

If I were the crystal-ball type, I'd predict that John Paul and Benedict will be linked as a single, long period of real reform in the Church, and likely the successor to Benedict too.

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I think he will be remembered for reminding the world that "reason" and "Faith" compliment each other and are not against each other.
(as was covered in the Regensburg address).

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I think he will be remembered for reminding the world that "reason" and "Faith" compliment each other and are not against each other.
(as was covered in the Regensburg address).


Oh yes! He hasn't flinched as the New Ignorance has been splattering our Church, and Benedict in particular.

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SP and and CenV.

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Jeff,

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SP and and CenV.


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SP = Summorum Pontificum. I second that.

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Oh...and because I'm a girl - his red shoes! :)

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SP = Summorum Pontificum. I second that.

Yes. Even if it has been misinterpreted nearly as badly as Vatican II. It is supposed to be "MUTUAL enrichment", not merely "enrichment of the OF by the EF."

And it is Caritas en Veritate.

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What is Cen.V?

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Arwen wrote:
What is Cen.V?

Caritas en Veritate

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Arwen wrote:
What is Cen.V?

Kardinal wrote:
And it is Caritas en Veritate.

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So why do you call it Cen. V? If you'd written C en V I might have figured it out. (Or was it a typo?)

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I called it CenV, if you look.

I was on my phone. Autocorrect does not deal well with Latin.

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SP, definitely.

His lecture at Regensburg on faith and reason.

His trip to Turkey after the Regensburg incident, which earned for him the name, "Benedict the Brave."

"In the Presence of the Angels," when he was still a Cardinal, an article on Sacred Music.

"Light of the World" - not his book, but a longish interview with him, by Peter Seewald.

He will also be remembered as an intellectual of the highest caliber.

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I called it CenV, if you look.
I was on my phone. Autocorrect does not deal well with Latin.

Sorry. Sorry to derail things.

So. I don't have the knowledge to say the high points, but possibly his books on Jesus will be remembered as a lasting contribution?
For me personally, his trips to Cyprus and the United Kingdom left a huge impression on me. (I wasn't paying attention before 2008).

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His trip to Turkey after the Regensburg incident, which earned for him the name, "Benedict the Brave."

There was so much negativity before the UK trip, too, remember? My husband was listening to the TV news, and I remember him turning to me and saying with amazement that he didn't think anything would deter the pope from going!

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What changes (if any) took place in your parish or diocese during the pontificate of Benedict XVI?

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David,

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What changes (if any) took place in your parish or diocese during the pontificate of Benedict XVI?


I take it you mean those changes prompted by Pope Benedict XVI himself (which would exclude things such as several clergy discovering a taste for maniples).

1. New English translation of the Mass;

2. Every altar having a crucifix on it;

3. The restoration of the Blessed Sacrament reserved to its proper place. (ie moved from the tabernacle in the Lady Chapel behind the High Altar and returned to the tabernacle on the High Altar.)
(I never did get used to calling the old Lady Chapel "the Blessed Sacrament Chapel".)

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Arwen wrote:
So. I don't have the knowledge to say the high points, but possibly his books on Jesus will be remembered as a lasting contribution?


Grace, I'm sure his books on Jesus will be remembered. I just didn't mention them because I've only read the first volume.

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There was so much negativity before the UK trip, too, remember? My husband was listening to the TV news, and I remember him turning to me and saying with amazement that he didn't think anything would deter the pope from going!


After seeing the Pope Benedict with the Queen of England on TV, I think my (English) husband was ready to die. Like after a Nunc Dimittis, he did die within a few weeks. But I didn't know the papal trip was greeted with so much negativity in England.

Queen Elizabeth certainly showed as much courage as anybody to make the papal visit memorable. I thought it was so touchingly "housewifely" of her to send her husband to the airport to pick up a house guest. :)

And, oh!, how beautiful that Mass was at Westminster Cathedral. The music was glorious, especially the Communion antiphon, Unus militum. I've been to Westminster Cathedral only once and it was great to know that its official name is the Basilica of the Most Precious Blood.

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What changes (if any) took place in your parish or diocese during the pontificate of Benedict XVI?


1. A much younger Bishop who is more hands-on with parish matters than the previous one. This new Bishop is highly regarded even in this farthest south part of the diocese. (See Joe Kelley's avatar.)

2. SP and UE gave us the TLM! :) :) :) This means Latin chants, kneeling for communion on the tongue, etc.

3. Perpetual adoration of the Blessed Sacrament.

4. Forty days for Life.

5. Campaigning for Prop. 8 Defense of Marriage Act (which won in this only part of SF Bay Area)

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And, oh!, how beautiful that Mass was at Westminster Cathedral. The music was glorious, especially the Communion antiphon, Unus militum. I've been to Westminster Cathedral only once and it was great to know that its official name is the Basilica of the Most Precious Blood.

The whole trip was so amazing and satisfying from a historical view. I LOVED his speech in Westminster Hall where he talked about St. Thomas More.

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What changes (if any) took place in your parish or diocese during the pontificate of Benedict XVI?

1. New English translation of the Mass;

Wasn't that in the works for many years, going back to JP2?

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Yup. But the man in the Chair at the time gets the credit.

(Actually, a good deal of the credit should go to Cardinal Pell.)

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Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:

(Actually, a good deal of the credit should go to Cardinal Pell.)


Why is that?
Did he start this whole thing?
and why do you write so small :)

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He was chairman of the steering committee that had oversight of the project. It was called Vox Clara. The new translation was prepared in accordance with the principles laid down in Liturgiam Authenticam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregati ... commission

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liturgiam_authenticam

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Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
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He was chairman of the steering committee that had oversight of the project. It was called Vox Clara. The new translation was prepared in accordance with the principles laid down in Liturgiam Authenticam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregati ... commission

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liturgiam_authenticam


I like him a lot. Perhaps he will be the next pope.

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Wonderful, but unlikely. Paddy Power has him at 80/1.

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Jesuit expert calls Benedict 'great reformer' on sex abuse

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Based on what I know personally, at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith he was the first person, and the most determined person, to take on what he called the ‘open wound’ in the body of the church, meaning the sexual abuse of minors by clergy. He came to know about a number of cases, and the intensity of the wounds inflicted on victims. He became aware of what priests had done to minors, and to vulnerable adults. As a result, he became more and more convinced that it has to be tackled, and at various levels he started to deal with it – the canonical level, the ecclesial, and the personal.

Benedict XVI is the first pope who has met with and listened to abuse victims, who has apologized, and who has written about the problem both in his letter to Irish bishops and in the book Light of the World.

One very important step was to concentrate all the legal and administrative procedures at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Another was to appoint a very intelligent, practical and dedicated man as Promoter of Justice.

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Grace,

Indeed. It is often (conveniently?) forgotten that Cardinal Ratzinger referred to these bad priests as "filth".

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James,
I like Cdl. Pell a lot. He's bi-formal. He was the moving energy behind Vox Clara's new and improved ICEL translation of the OF Mass. He's also quite supportive of the EF. Sometimes I feel sorry for him - like he's a lone voice in the wilderness, being so geographically far away from Rome.

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Wonderful, but unlikely. Paddy Power has him at 80/1.


And Cdl. Peter Turkson rates higher by Paddy Power! On what basis? Because he's Black?

Well, they should give Cdl. Pell a higher rate then - because he's TALL. He's the tallest of all the Cardinals. :)

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Well, they should give Cdl. Pell a higher rate then - because he's TALL. He's the tallest of all the Cardinals. :)

I thought Cardinal Mahony was the tallest. :)

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LASaxman wrote:
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Well, they should give Cdl. Pell a higher rate then - because he's TALL. He's the tallest of all the Cardinals. :)

I thought Cardinal Mahony was the tallest. :)


David,
Is David Cheney back with us in this forum? He may have the answer.

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The odds are set by market forces. The reason Cardinal Turkson is a short priced favourite is that a lot of money has been bet on him. Similarly, very little money has been bet on Cardianl Pell.

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David,

From the photos I've seen of all the cardinals gathered together in Rome, Cardinal Pell always stands out.

I'd say he's about 6'4".

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From the photos I've seen of all the cardinals gathered together in Rome, Cardinal Pell always stands out.

I'd say he's about 6'4".

I haven't been able to find a stat for Cardinal Mahony, but he is well over six feet. Maybe Val can measure him the next time she sees him. :wink:

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I'll try but I'm only 5'`1" so if he's over 6"0", I have no way of knowing but he's, really, really tall. I once dated a man 6'4", the last time I saw him I (sort of jokingly) stood on a chair to hug him...he is married to another. That not withstanding, I would guess Cardinal Mahony to be above 6'4" because if I wanted to hug him I'd definitely need a chair and then some.

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The odds are set by market forces. The reason Cardinal Turkson is a short priced favourite is that a lot of money has been bet on him. Similarly, very little money has been bet on Cardianl Pell.


Thanks, James, for this explanation. Now I understand.
I've heard that Cdl. Turkson is being marketed as the "Obama of the Vatican." That may explain his popularity? :hold:

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If these odds are based on what people bet then this explains the big gap between betting odds and reality.
The Cardinals are very good at not discussing their favorite picks, especially with the media.

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If these odds are based on what people bet then this explains the big gap between betting odds and reality.

That is the nature of all gambling on an outcome; the odds are determined by the betting. Applies to sports, too.

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If these odds are based on what people bet then this explains the big gap between betting odds and reality.

That is the nature of all gambling on an outcome; the odds are determined by the betting. Applies to sports, too.


I guess people can bet based on polls in some cases, such as who wins the presidency. In this case the betting odds and reality are closer.
It is hard to figure out what the Cardinals will do in choosing a Pope. I do not think they will allow themselves to be polled :)

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What Were the High Points?

I think it a bit early to realize and further to be able to fully appraise what exactly were the best grapes let alone vintage wines from the latest tiller of the vineyard.

Some in the mass media and academia seem obsessed with publishing such a 'report card' -in my opinion [they] do this NOT because they seek to openly discuss and communicate what fruits may yet be born BUT rather they seek to nip [any fruit save that they agree with] in the bud.

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Applies to sports, too.


A conclave is not sport?

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