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Who will be the next pope?
In the wake of Pope Benedict XVI’s announcement that he will abdicate in late February, speculation has begun as to who will succeed him.
NBC News analyst Father Robert Barron suggests some names that will emerge in the search. He discusses criteria, and talks (very briefly) about Cardinal Francis Arinze, Cardinal Peter Turkson, Cardinal Marc Ouellet, and Cardinal Timothy Dolan.

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We might have the first American Pope.

How about Cardinal Omalley?

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Cardinal Arinze is too old to vote in the Conclave, so I'm not sure he would be eligible for the Papacy. Cardinal Dolan would be a great choice but doubtful an American will be elected.

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The Holy Spirit blows where he wills. Perhaps, in light of the Obama administration's unprecedented attack on religious freedom in the U.S., perhaps a harbinger of greater persecution to come, the Holy Spirit will permit a USian to become Pope, just as he permitted the election of a Pole during the dark days of Communism.

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I would love to see someone like Archbishop Cardinal DiNardo.

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I was amused to see Paddy Power is accepting bets on Richard Dawkins becoming the next pope. The odds he's offering: 666/1.

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I was amused to see Paddy Power is accepting bets on Richard Dawkins becoming the next pope. The odds he's offering: 666/1.


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I would be very surprised if Cardinal O'Malley were elected Pope at the upcoming conclave.

He had an interview/press conference on this news yesterday. Asked that question, he said something appropriate along the lines of the Electors needing to be open to being guided by the Holy Spirit, etc... but joked that he had bought a round-trip ticket and hoped he wouldn't lose the money on the return half.

He's of a good age and good health (so far as I know from reading the news). I guess I've just never heard an inkling about him having any such ambition (not that that necessarily has anything to do with what will happen). I suppose he would dutifully obey if the Spirit expressed itself so emphatically through his brother Cardinals. He obeyed (as particularly suits a Capuchin Franciscan) when JPII called him from his prior assignment (where his work could not have been considered done, and a place he apparently did not want to leave) to send him here.

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Two of the most interesting comments I've read across the spectrum of coverage have been ones that discussed the importance of certain qualifications/skills for the next Pope.

One was on the man being multilingual - the author suggested at least four languages were needed.

The other was on the need for the man to be familiar with the workings of the Vatican - implying, I think, the need to have held a curial post.

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Do all priests learn Italian? Is that what they use at international meetings?

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Do all priests learn Italian? Is that what they use at international meetings?

No. All priests who study in Rome, do, but by the time they're Bishops or Cardinals it is sometimes rusty. Synods and Consistories use translators.

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Ah. So we can't count Italian automatically.

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CDL. TURKSON of Ghana

Ghanian Cardinal Peter Kodwo Appiah Turkson interviewed by the UK Telegraph:

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The African prelate said he had reflected on the enormous personal burden of becoming the leader of the Catholic Church. "It would certainly mean a lot if I had to be a pope," he said. "If I was elected pope it would signal a lot of [personal] change. Very big change in a lot of regards. I have been an archbishop, which involved a certain amount of leadership and now having to do this on a world level, the dimensions expand almost infinitely.

"It is going to be a life-changing experience and I think that is what it has been for Benedict and those who have gone before us. The challenge will also be with the individual to want to make his mark, not trying to fit into anybody's shoes but finding his own shoes to wear."


Hmm...
(I'm praying for Cdl. Pell of Sydney to be the next Pope, but that's a long shot, considering that he may be the only Cardinal in Oceana right now. That's a constituency of one. And he might not even be voting for himself. Humble as Pell is, he's not even campaigning like this one seems to be...)

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Cardinal Timothy Dolan and Cardinal George Pell are the first two that came to my mind.


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Do all priests learn Italian? Is that what they use at international meetings?


Grace, in the book "Salt of the Earth," the then Cdl. Ratzinger revealed that when meeting with Pope John II, they used German.

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Do all priests learn Italian? Is that what they use at international meetings?


Grace, in the book "Salt of the Earth," the then Cdl. Ratzinger revealed that when meeting with Pope John II, they used German.

Given the proximity of Germany to Poland and their relative geopolitical and economic importance, as well as German's prominence as a language of theology in the 20th century, John Paul's German was likely better than Benedict's Polish.

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CDL. TURKSON of Ghana

Ghanian Cardinal Peter Kodwo Appiah Turkson interviewed by the UK Telegraph:

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The African prelate said he had reflected on the enormous personal burden of becoming the leader of the Catholic Church. "It would certainly mean a lot if I had to be a pope," he said. "If I was elected pope it would signal a lot of [personal] change. Very big change in a lot of regards. I have been an archbishop, which involved a certain amount of leadership and now having to do this on a world level, the dimensions expand almost infinitely.

"It is going to be a life-changing experience and I think that is what it has been for Benedict and those who have gone before us. The challenge will also be with the individual to want to make his mark, not trying to fit into anybody's shoes but finding his own shoes to wear."


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I thin there is an old adage -

"He who goes into the Conclave a pope --

comes out a Cardinal."

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...considering that he may be the only Cardinal in Oceana right now.


I make it three, but he's the only one of voting age. Even if he were the only cardinal in Oceania, that would not be an issue the Conclave would be likely to consider.

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Marie,

Correction: make that four. (I was only counting Australia - my most humble apologies to NZ.)

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Correction: make that four. (I was only counting Australia - my most humble apologies to NZ.)

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But the Kiwi, Cardinal Thomas Williams, is now retired - Archbishop Emeritus of the Archdiocese of Wellington.

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Has anyone mentioned Cardinal Burke as a future pope?

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Four Cardinals in Oceania. Thanks, James and Simon for the info. BTW, are all four eligible to vote?

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Has anyone mentioned Cardinal Burke as a future pope?


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I believe Cardinal Burke would make an ideal Pope. But not very many guessers think he'd make it (or any other American Cardinal, for that matter.) Bookies and guessers seem to think it's not a good idea that a Pope should come from a superpower.

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Who will be the next pope?
In the wake of Pope Benedict XVI’s announcement that he will abdicate in late February, speculation has begun as to who will succeed him.
NBC News analyst Father Robert Barron suggests some names that will emerge in the search. He discusses criteria, and talks (very briefly) about Cardinal Francis Arinze, Cardinal Peter Turkson, Cardinal Marc Ouellet, and Cardinal Timothy Dolan.


In my opinion, considering what the last two popes went through and endured in life -true tests of faith that separated the men from the boys. I have a feeling the next will be cut from similar cloth. As such, I doubt seriously the next will be an American. Again, in my opinion, American's have not really been tested although I will concede that President Obama now serves up potentially such a testing...

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Question: How many of the previous popes, save Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, were among those publicly speculated to be in line for the Chair of St Peter before a conclave?

Are there any worthy low-profile cardinals or archbishops who have not gone under the radar of the Catholic and secular media? How about these, the first three are my personal favourites in order of preference. The other three are interesting.

    1. Antonio Canizares Llovera, 67, Spain
    2. Wim Eijk, 59, Holland
    3. Kurt Koch, 62, Switzerland
    4. Fernando Filoni, 66, Italy
    5. Jean-Pierre Ricard, 68, France
    6. Stanisław Ryłko , 67, Poland

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Kim,
I believe Cardinal Burke would make an ideal Pope. But not very many guessers think he'd make it (or any other American Cardinal, for that matter.) Bookies and guessers seem to think it's not a good idea that a Pope should come from a superpower.


If Obama continues on his course, we soon won't be a superpower.

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What about this contender: Cardinal Péter Erdõ?

Just a gut feeling - I know little of him thus far.

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... Bookies and guessers seem to think it's not a good idea that a Pope should come from a superpower.
I recall my history professor saying that many years ago. I think it is true.

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Only one.

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Cardinal Burke is at 50/1. Cardinal Dolan is also at 50/1. Cardinal Levada is at 100/1. So much for the Yanks.

The papabile are Turkson at 5/2 and Oulette at 4/1.

For those interested Bertone is 6/1 and Arinze 12/1.

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/novelty-b ... pe-betting

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Were these people right in the past? Who did they think was going to become pope the last time?

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At the time of the last conclave Paddy Power had Cardinal Tettamanzi as favourite and Cardinal Ratzinger at 25/1 against.

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Cardinal Burke is at 50/1. Cardinal Dolan is also at 50/1. Cardinal Levada is at 100/1. So much for the Yanks.

The papabile are Turkson at 5/2 and Oulette at 4/1.

For those interested Bertone is 6/1 and Arinze 12/1.

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/novelty-b ... pe-betting


I know the voting cardinals aren't restricted to choosing from among their own ranks, so could they choose a cardinal who has aged-out of the voting set? I'm left shaking my head every time I look at Paddy Power or a news website that appears to have done their research by reading Paddy Power - why do they have Arinze in the field?

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so could they choose a cardinal who has aged-out of the voting set?


Correct.

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Because he is papabile. Molto papabile.

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Yes we Vati-can: Money-back if the Cardinals elect the first black Pope


http://blog.paddypower.com/2013/02/13/y ... lack-pope/

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The election of the first ever black Pope could reflect the growing strength of the Catholic church in Africa and Cardinal Peter Turkson from Ghana and Cardinal Francis Arinze of Nigeria are near the top of the betting.

Cardinal Turkson is President of the Vatican’s council for justice and peace. After the economic crisis he proposed creating a world bank and he is regarded as a great communicator. The 64-year-old is 9/2 in the betting to be elected.

The form of Cardinal Francis Arinze isn’t bad either. He is the current Cardinal Bishop of Velletri-Segni. This is the position Pope Benedict held before he was elected so it wouldn’t be the first time Cardinal Arinze has followed in his footsteps. At 80-years-old he could be a touch over the hill and is available at 10/1.


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At 79 he may seem a little old. He would certainly be a controversial choice. Also it would be unusual for a Camerlengo to be chosen.

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I see that Paddy Powers has Cardinal Turkson as the favorite to be elected and Peter as the favored name to be taken. I think it safe to predict that neither will happen.

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Cardinal Turkson seems to be doing his best to talk himself out of the job.

Not only does Paddy Power have him as favourite and Peter as the front runner in names, if you look at the "St Malachy and Nostradamus Doubles" he is offering 5/1 on the double.

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What about this contender: Cardinal Péter Erdõ?

Just a gut feeling - I know little of him thus far.


There is a theory (among the other gazillion theories out there) that the next pope will be a lawyer. First we had a philosopher (JPII), then a theologian (B16) and next .....

If the next Pope comes from Hungary, and is a lawyer, then he may be the perfect choice to unite East and West.

I love this time of speculation - it focuses one's thoughts on the universality of the Church as well as encouraging us to pray to the Holy Spirit for guidance and direction!

More info on Cardinal Erdo here http://www.cardinalrating.com/cardinal_29__article_2816.htm

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I've not seen Cardinal Ravasi's name mentioned among the papabile. Perhaps it should be?

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Since sunset Sunday, Pope Benedict XVI and the Roman Curia have been on their Lenten Retreat. Throughout the week, they are gathering in the Redemptoris Mater Chapel in the Apostolic Palace, for prayer and meditation, led this year by Cardinal Gianfranco Ravasi, President of the Pontifical Council for Culture. He has chosen as the overriding themes for his 17 separate meditations: "Ars orandi, ars credendi. The face of God and the face of man in the Psalm prayers”.



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Some commentators thought that Ravasi would be the next Archbishop of Milan, replacing Dionigi Tettamanzi, but Angelo Scola was instead appointed to that see. However, the same writers would consider him papabile in either position.


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In November 2011 Cardinal Ravasi said preaching in churches had become formulaic and boring that it risked becoming "irrelevant". He said that "The advent of televised and computerised information requires us to be compelling and trenchant, to cut to the heart of the matter, resort to narratives and colour."


Well, there'd be no shortage of people who'd agree.

So what's the problem?

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In 2005, according to Sandro Magister, Ravasi was a leading candidate to become Bishop of Assisi but the Congregation for Bishops withdrew his candidacy after Ravasi wrote an article about Easter in the newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore, in which his statement, "He was not raised; he arose," was seen as potentially heterodox.


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Because for years Ravasi has been a candidate for everything; he was even in the running for archbishop of Milan, his diocese, but until now he has always been stuck at the gate.

In 2005 it seemed done; the bishopric of Assisi was ready for him, the city of Saint Francis: a small diocese, but of great importance worldwide.

But when, on June 25, the Vatican congregation that attends to the nomination of the new bishops gathered its members for the final examination, on the table appeared the clippings of an article Ravasi published on March 31, 2002 in the Sunday supplement of the economics and finance newspaper “Il Sole 24 Ore.” The article was about Easter, and the headline read: “He was not raised; he arose.” Brows were furrowed; some said this was an attack on correct doctrine. Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re, prefect of the congregation, withdrew his candidacy.



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Yet in 2007, at the invitation of Pope Benedict XVI, he composed the Good Friday meditations for the public procession of Stations of the Cross led by the Pope at the Colosseum... On 3 September 2007, Ravasi was appointed President of the Pontifical Council for Culture and Titular Archbishop of Villamagna in Proconsulari. He was also named President of the Pontifical Commission for the Cultural Heritage of the Church and of the Pontifical Commission for Sacred Archeology. He received his episcopal consecration as an archbishop on the following 29 September from Benedict XVI himself, with Cardinals Tarcisio Bertone, S.D.B., and Marian Jaworski serving as co-consecrators, at St. Peter's Basilica. On 20 November 2010, he was created and proclaimed Cardinal-Deacon of San Giorgio in Velabro.


On 11 December 2010, Ravasi was named a member of the Congregation for Catholic Education for a five-year renewable term. On 29 December 2010, he was appointed the first member of the new Pontifical Council for the Promotion of the New Evangelisation.


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Ravasi is among the most popular of churchmen. For seventeen years he has been a star on Canale 5, the flagship of Silvio Berlusconi’s television stations. But he has never made even the briefest appearance on any frivolous entertainment show. He has just one hit broadcast “Le frontiere dello spirito [The frontiers of the spirit],” which is aired on Sundays mornings with the contractual agreement that advertisements will never interrupt his interpretive readings of the Bible.

With his exegeses, Ravasi fascinates even segments of the public that never go to Mass and have grudges against the Church. And so also with his conferences: there is such demand in every corner of Italy that to schedule a conference one must wait in line for one or two years.

Ravasi is a formidable Christian preacher, a Bernardino of Siena, a Paolo Segneri, a Bossuet in a humble modern version. When he gives an address he does not read it, and each time it seems that he improvises, but his composition flows as faultlessly as a printed book. He can expound competently upon any subject, and he is ready to cite a famous author for everything, but with the Bible always as the origin and end of it all.



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His first books were of pure biblical exegesis, like the three imposing volumes of his commentary on the Psalms. They are scholarly works, for specialists, but they were written in an elegant, compelling style that drew the attention of the major publishing houses. A shorter version of the commentary on the Psalms was added to the ‘Biblioteca Universale’ catalogue of the publisher Rizzoli, destined for the general public.

And so came the revelation of Ravasi as a great popularizer. If today the Sacred Scriptures have become familiar to many in Italy, this is due in large part to this priest born in the Brianza region, in Merate, in 1942.

Even as a professor of exegesis in the theological faculty of Milan, Ravasi immediately stuck out as extraordinary. While his subtle-minded theologian colleagues churned out lessons and texts of discouraging conceptual and linguistic complexity for their peers, he did not; he knew how to make himself understood by all with simple words full of substance, within and above all outside of the academic halls.



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Cardinal Ravasi seems like an ideal papabile. A great preacher - that's what the Church needs. Many Catholics leave the Church for better preaching at evangelical and charismatic assemblies. I always tell them, it's not how the Gospel is preached at Mass - it's WHO preaches it. A priest, ordained for the purpose, is who God chooses to preach it at Mass. But maybe with Ravasi at the helm, our priests and deacons can start giving the prots a run for their money (so to speak.)

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The article was about Easter, and the headline read: “He was not raised; he arose.” Brows were furrowed; some said this was an attack on correct doctrine.


What was doctrinally wrong with that headline? As a kid I've been taught that Christ's greatest miracle was His OWN Resurrection.

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This Spiegel article HERE describes Cdl. Ravasi as "notoriously progressive."

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Will the succession be decided among the Europeans, or will they succeed in bridging the gap with the non-European churches? Will the pope remain a man of the Restoration, as Ratzinger was, or will he be a reformer, like Archbishop of Vienna Christoph Schönborn or Gianfranco Ravasi, 70, the notoriously progressive president of the Pontifical Council for Culture?

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I am cheering for Cardinal Angelo Bagnasco of Genoa. He courageously stood up to the gay marriage crowd in Italy, in 2007, and received death threats (including an envelope with a bullet inside) to the point that the police assigned officers to him for a while.

It is time to return the Papacy to the Italians!

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Can I "toss-out" a name that isn't being mentioned such as Archbishop Malcolm Ranjith of Columbo, Sri Lanka. He was scheduled to replace Cardinal Arinze when he retired; but he asked the Pope to allow him to return to his home country Sri Lanka. Upon returning to Columbo, he ordered that over the next year "all" clergy would be re-educated as how to celebrate the Liturgy. "We cannot tolerate liturgical errors." Archbishop Malcolm Ranjith's program for the liturgy in Colombo .
He would be ideal to continue the "Reform of the Reform" as well as coming from a 3rd world country in an area of Islamist attacks. Not being a Cardinal is not an impediment and had he replaced Cardinal Arinze; he would have been in line to be named a Cardinal. Other then, perhaps, one of the Bishops in Kentucky; he is the only Bishop that has taken on the abuses of the Liturgy, at least, so determinedly.
I agree with those who doubt Cardinal Turkson (regardless of his first name of Peter; setting the stage for "Peter the Roman". He has made some comments over recent years that have not been inline with Church teaching. I also agree that no American will be elected while we are a "Super-Power".

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An interesting man.

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Bagnasco is a confirmed Ruini-ite, 'but Bertone likes him,' as one op put it


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"Why say 'no' to forms of legally recognised co-habitation which create alternatives to the family? Why say 'no' to incest? Why say 'no' to the paedophile party in Holland?"


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Bagnasco affirmed that each man has the right to be employed. He also advised that the flexibility of the workforce has to be limited.


Paddy Power has him at 16/1.

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Well, after employing a ham-handed approach, mimicking the U.S. federal government in its approach to, well, everything, I have managed to move the posts concerning preaching to this thread, using about 100 steps.

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Dean,

Also moved were a couple of posts on Cardinal Ravasi's risen/arose.

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Also moved were a couple of posts on Cardinal Ravasi's risen/arose.


Yes, I know, but in the same posts where that discussion "arose," I believe, were references to his preaching ability. I thought they would be better grouped in that thread, rather than in who will be the new pope.

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I am cheering for Cardinal Angelo Bagnasco of Genoa.


He is a very good pick, Father. I thought about him, but felt the next pope will be far younger for a longer reign, probably around the age of Pope John Paul II or slightly older than him.

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Ian,

I think the election of Benedict XVI shows that the Cardinals are willing to overlook age as long as they feel the candidate is qualified and has at least a few good years left in him. The most urgent need of the Church is actually not a young pope. It is a pope who has a heart of bronze to face down, in 2013, the enemies of the Church and not flinch. A lion with only five years left in him is still far better for our needs than a lamb with 20 years to go.

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