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I am stunned at this. Wow, just wow.

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I am sure that the Pope thought long and heard before making such a serious decision. I think he did what he felt was best for the welfare of the Church. He put the Church first, willing to give up his Papacy to put the Church in safe hands.

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I don't know the exact reasons which have prompted His Holiness to make the decision he has, but I trust they are compelling reasons for him to resign the Papacy. From what I know of His Holiness, I cannot imagine otherwise. I'm just so very sorry to lose him. I haven't cried yet, but I'm this close (thumb and forefinger almost touching) ..... :(

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At first I felt sad and scared, I cried and could not understand what was happening. Why would he abdicate?
Now I believe that The Holy Father must have very good reasons for doing this, and I pray that he will be able to live out the remainder of his life in study and prayer, and according to Gods will.
I have much love and respect for him, and I will keep him in my prayers.

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A well-written essay about the Pope and his resignation from Crisis Magazine.

The Reason Benedict Resigned
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By the grace of the Holy Spirit, Pope Benedict XVI has resigned. His Holiness has resigned because he understands his office and he wishes with firm resolve to help us to understand this and deepen our faith by remembering him for what he is and by lifting up our hearts and minds to the eternal Father and His Son, Our Supreme Pastor and Lord, Jesus Christ.

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This event is really surprising, and let me also say, a very tragic one. The reasons why it happened are not too hard to guess. Of course, his old age and somewhat poor health are good reasons to keep the face for the general public, but these could never be the real motives. Just let us recall that the previous pope was about the same age when he died, and his health was much worse for many years before. He couldn't even walk.

Now, the real reason must be the fact that modernists have gained the upper hand in Vatican. Appointing Bishop Müller as the Prefect of the Congregation of Faith recently was a clear sign of that. The pope has also now told that he is not going to influence the election in any way. Another anomaly, and an indication that he is pushed aside.

The situation in Vatican is worse than ever! It was not a coincidence that about right at the same time when the Pope announed his resignation, there was a great thunderstorm in Rome, and thunder struck the tower of St. Peter's Basilica.
Let us pray our rosaries relentlessly with the intention that some miracle would happen that would save the situation.

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This event is really surprising, and let me also say, a very tragic one. The reasons why it happened are not too hard to guess. Of course, his old age and somewhat poor health are good reasons to keep the face for the general public, but these could never be the real motives. Just let us recall that the previous pope was about the same age when he died, and his health was much worse for many years before. He couldn't even walk.

He said, "... in order to govern the barque of Saint Pe­ter and proclaim the Gospel, both strength of mind and body are necessary, strength which in the last few months, has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to recognize my incapacity to adequately fulfill the ministry en­trusted to me."

I understand that John Paul II had no mental or memory problems, that all his weaknesses were physical. If Pope Benedict has become aware of coming deterioration of mind, that would be a good reason to resign, IMO. It would be bad for the Church if the pope were not all with it mentally. I see no reason to doubt what he has said.
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Now, the real reason must be the fact that modernists have gained the upper hand in Vatican. Appointing Bishop Müller as the Prefect of the Congregation of Faith recently was a clear sign of that. The pope has also now told that he is not going to influence the election in any way. Another anomaly, and an indication that he is pushed aside.
Why do you think this? What have the modernists done against the Pope's will? What have they stopped Pope Benedict from doing?

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A well-written essay about the Pope and his resignation from Crisis Magazine.

The Reason Benedict Resigned
That's a beautiful essay. I think Pope Benedict is doing what is best for the Church, although I am really sad to see him go. I loved his kind, fatherly, professorial air. People who are not even Catholic tell me that they think he just exudes peacefulness and kindness--even through the TV screen. :)

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My first thought was surprise and shock, but my second thought was that this is not a man who would be in error about something like this. He's too learned and too well steeped in how things are supposed to be done.

Once I jumped that hurdle, my thoughts are a bit sad, but I have faith and hope that the true Head of our Church will give us what we need.

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fred03 wrote:
This event is really surprising, and let me also say, a very tragic one. The reasons why it happened are not too hard to guess. Of course, his old age and somewhat poor health are good reasons to keep the face for the general public, but these could never be the real motives. Just let us recall that the previous pope was about the same age when he died, and his health was much worse for many years before. He couldn't even walk.

Now, the real reason must be the fact that modernists have gained the upper hand in Vatican. Appointing Bishop Müller as the Prefect of the Congregation of Faith recently was a clear sign of that. The pope has also now told that he is not going to influence the election in any way. Another anomaly, and an indication that he is pushed aside.

The situation in Vatican is worse than ever! It was not a coincidence that about right at the same time when the Pope announed his resignation, there was a great thunderstorm in Rome, and thunder struck the tower of St. Peter's Basilica.
Let us pray our rosaries relentlessly with the intention that some miracle would happen that would save the situation.

Fred,

You have some amazing inside information. Without you we would have no way of knowing what is really going on.

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My first thought was surprise and shock, but my second thought was that this is not a man who would be in error about something like this. He's too learned and too well steeped in how things are supposed to be done.

Once I jumped that hurdle, my thoughts are a bit sad, but I have faith and hope that the true Head of our Church will give us what we need.


I remember the excitement I felt when I heard that Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger was elected Pope; it seemed too good to be true. Now I'm a bit sad that he's leaving but it makes me realize that he is a human being....I'm going to miss him.

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I'll really miss him as well and hope some of the changes he made will not be undone by the next pope. I hope they stick with the example of Benedict's and JPII's vision of the church.

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Please remember that we are not losing what Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger did best: theology study and writing. And now he will be unencumbered by the duties of the papacy.
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Please remember that we are not losing what Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger did best: theology study and writing. And now he will be unencumbered by the duties of the papacy.
Qp!


Only if he goes to live in Menzingen. Otherwise... I don't think the modernists will let him live and write and talk. Being away from the Papal resposibilites would let him express his opinions much more freely, and at the same time it would not be unnoticed. They cannot do anything now, because they would be creating a martyr, but afterwards it would look only too natural that the old man felt his end coming.

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Okay, i'm a little surprised - but more so at how strongly many fellow Catholics are taking this. Benedict has left our Church in better shape than he left it, and he's stepping down with God's guidance and good Bavarian sense. A lot more can and will be said, but I don't see the reason to get lathered up about it - begging the pardons of those less cold-blooded!

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I don't think the modernists will let him live and write and talk. Being away from the Papal resposibilites would let him express his opinions much more freely, and at the same time it would not be unnoticed. They cannot do anything now, because they would be creating a martyr, but afterwards it would look only too natural that the old man felt his end coming.

Oh pish. Nothing's going to stop him. And if there's some vahst conspiracy, you or I are nothing against it. So quit worrying.

A good quote on worrying much about the politics of religion. What does Her Majesty do for the cause of Protestantism, asks the royal theologian Palmer? "I sit at home and think of God." (Ann Cleeves, *The Six Wives of Henry VIII*, BBC, 1974)

And my favorite: 'Three can keep a secret, if two are dead.' (*Poor Richard's Almanac*). So a fig on consipiracy theories.

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It appears to me that Pope Benedict clearly sees that there can only be one pope. His successor must be free to do things his way. Cardinal Ratzinger will be available for private consultation if needed, but will otherwise keep a very low profile.

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And if there's some vahst conspiracy, you or I are nothing against it. So quit worrying.


Actually we can do much more than modernists or Freemasons behind them can. We can pray, and this way bring more of the angelic intervention into the whole thing. In the current situation it's the duty of every Roman Catholic: to increase his/her daily prayer life, and give the prayers for this special intention.

Otherwise it could be that the verse For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink. I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me. could apply to these people who omit doing that.

It may be convenient to just calm oneself down that the Pope surely knows what he is doing, and that everything is okay, that he is surrounded by good and faithful people etc. Even if he really would be, and everything was okay, you'd still omit your duty. And one day you could have to answer for your lazyness.
Do at least one full Rosary, and at least one [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litany_of_the_Saints"]Litany of the Saints[/url] a day for this intention. It's so little...

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BTW, did anybody else see this?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2 ... n/1913095/

It's all over the news here that St. Peter's Basilica was struck by lightning shortly after Pope Benedict's resignation was announced.

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The reasons why it happened are not too hard to guess.


The reasons are as the Holy Father stated them to be.

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Now, the real reason must be the fact that modernists have gained the upper hand in Vatican.


That would have to be the single most bizarre assessment of the present pontificate floating around the internet I've seen (and, believe me, that's saying something).

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The pope has also now told that he is not going to influence the election in any way. Another anomaly,


Are you suggesting he ought to intervene in the choice of his successor? He will leave Rome for Castel Gandolfo and will not return till after the conclave. That is as it should be.


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It was not a coincidence that about right at the same time when the Pope announed his resignation, there was a great thunderstorm in Rome, and thunder struck the tower of St. Peter's Basilica.


i) It was a coincidence;

ii) It was several hours later - 18:00 CET (and its amusing angle is that Cardinal Sodano had described the resignation as something that "rang out in this hall like a bolt from the blue...");

iii) It's a dome.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21421810

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Yes.

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Indeed, we all are.

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The pope has also now told that he is not going to influence the election in any way. Another anomaly, and an indication that he is pushed aside.

Given that only five Popes have lived to resign in the past 1,000 years, how can this be called an anomaly?

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The Italian journalist who got the scoop on Pope Benedict XVI's decision to resign says she beat the world's media thanks to her knowledge of Latin.

Giovanni Chirri, the Vatican expert for the ANSA news agency, was listening to the Pope's speech - in Latin - when he made the announcement.

"At one point, the Pope stopped talking about the consistory. [Ms] Chirri understood he was saying he was tired, that the pressure was too much, and that he was going to stop," the ANSA news agency's head of information Luigi Contu told AFP.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-12/l ... pe/4513416

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"This is a strong argument for culture in training future journalists," Mr Contu said with a chuckle.

Congratulated by her colleagues, Chirri played down her success, tweeting: "Benedict XVI's Latin is very easy to understand."


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It appears to me that Pope Benedict clearly sees that there can only be one pope. His successor must be free to do things his way. Cardinal Ratzinger will be available for private consultation if needed, but will otherwise keep a very low profile.

I expect precisely this.

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I'll really miss him as well and hope some of the changes he made will not be undone by the next pope. I hope they stick with the example of Benedict's and JPII's vision of the church.

Given that John Paul and Benedict nominated all of the electors...literally every single one...I find it extremely unlikely that his successor would have a vision at significant variance with that of John Paul and Benedict.

A different focus, perhaps. And John Paul and Benedict were not in lockstep; they had noticably different foci and policies. But both were popes for which I am very thankful.

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Please remember that we are not losing what Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger did best: theology study and writing. And now he will be unencumbered by the duties of the papacy.
Qp!

I'm not sure that will be the case. It will be interesting to see if...Ratzinger...I have no idea what title to give him...Cardinal I assume?...publishes anything. It might put his successor in a difficult place for an ex-pope to be commenting on the world or on theological matters at all. I tend to think that in the interests of a single message, it might be best if Ratzinger remained publicly silent.

But I will not criticize him if he is not. I trust his judgement far more than my own.

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Given that John Paul and Benedict nominated all of the electors...literally every single one...I find it extremely unlikely that his successor would have a vision at significant variance with that of John Paul and Benedict.


Yes, but one of those electors is Cardinal Mahony who isn't exactly in lock step with His holiness or JPII.

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Given that John Paul and Benedict nominated all of the electors...literally every single one...I find it extremely unlikely that his successor would have a vision at significant variance with that of John Paul and Benedict.


Yes, but one of those electors is Cardinal Mahony who isn't exactly in lock step with His holiness or JPII.


One voice out of how many? Wasn't Cardinal Mahony one of the electors in 2005, too?

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I think that "down the road" so to speak, we will learn the wisdom of his decision. I have my own theories but for now I will keep them to myself.

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Wasn't Cardinal Mahony one of the electors in 2005, too?


So we know that Mahony got one vote in 2005 anyway... :wink:

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My point was not so much about Cardinal Mahony but only using him as an example that simply because a Cardinal was elected by JPII or Benedict VI doesn't mean he agrees with the reforms or the direction the church has taken under those pontificates. I seem to recall some people being surprised by certain bishops and so on being named but I don't have the knowledge to name those examples.

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[quote="Kardinal"][quote="kent"]Please remember that we are not losing what Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger did best: theology study and writing. And now he will be unencumbered by the duties of the papacy.
Qp![/quote]
I'm not sure that will be the case. It will be interesting to see if...Ratzinger...I have no idea what title to give him...Cardinal I assume?...publishes anything. It might put his successor in a difficult place for an ex-pope to be commenting on the world or on theological matters at all. I tend to think that in the interests of a single message, it might be best if Ratzinger remained publicly silent.

But I will not criticize him if he is not. I trust his judgement far more than my own.[/quote]


From WDTPRS...


Many have written asking what the Holy Father will be called after he abdicates his office on 28 February.

I haven’t seen anything from the Holy See about this yet.

However, I can speculate. What are blogs for, after all?

First, I assume people will continue to call him “Your Holiness”.

I assume he will still go by the name “Benedict XVI”.

Will he be “Bishop Emeritus” of Rome? I sincerely hope not, but I suspect he will be.



http://wdtprs.com/blog/2013/02/quaeritu ... bdication/

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I'll really miss him as well and hope some of the changes he made will not be undone by the next pope. I hope they stick with the example of Benedict's and JPII's vision of the church.

Were their visions really that much the same? It seems to me that when Benedict was elected conservatives were looking forward to great change from the pontificate of John Paul.

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I'll really miss him as well and hope some of the changes he made will not be undone by the next pope. I hope they stick with the example of Benedict's and JPII's vision of the church.

Were their visions really that much the same? It seems to me that when Benedict was elected conservatives were looking forward to great change from the pontificate of John Paul.


I remember much the same thing happening, right here on this list.

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That is Humility.

I would like to think so.

But I'm not sure the papacy is all that tempting anymore. It's not comfortable, the expectations are enormous, the responsibilities incomparable. It's not as if it's something to be sought after for most of the typical reasons. It doesn't even wield that much "power" in the traditional sense.

If power's what you're after, there's other means to it. If glory, other means. If wealth, other means.

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The video of some of the most touching and amazing moments from Pope Benedict's Mass yesterday is so worth watching. Embedded in a blog here:

"Thank You – Let Us Return to Prayer": For the Last Time, The Pope Leaves the Altar

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... the Catholic Church has never seen a moment like this.

As prelates and people alike were seen fighting back tears, here are the closing moments of Benedict XVI's final turn at the Altar of the Confession (homily), the spot literally upon the "rock" on which the papacy – and the 1.2 billion-member church it keeps together – is built....

In a spontaneous move to underscore Joseph Ratzinger's impending departure from Peter's Chair, but with it, the endurance of a line stretching back to AD33, as Benedict departed his "home church" for the last time, the Sistine Choir burst into Palestrina's famous setting of the Roman pontiff's foundational mandate – Jesus' exhortation from the 16th chapter of St Matthew's Gospel....

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Somewhere, since I posted the last note above, I've read that Benedict has directed that no more of his writings will be published until after his death...

Too bad. I'm sure that reported encyclical on faith would have been quite enriching spiritually.

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I heard a blurb on the radio that a Cardinal was talking about his possibly becoming the next pope and what his vision of the church would be and that he would make it more relevant today. Anyone have any idea who they might have been talking about? This wasn't a nutty person or anything, it was actually a news blurb though I realize that get things wrong all the time or inflate the meaning of things.

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Cdl. Turkson of Ghana.

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Another article from the Daily Mail. I have a suspicion that they've twisted his words.

'I'm ready to serve,' says African cardinal who could become first black Pope

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And I doubt he will be elected for the very reason that he is speculating about it so openly.

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...my second thought was that this is not a man who would be in error about something like this. He's too learned and too well steeped in how things are supposed to be done.

Once I jumped that hurdle, my thoughts are a bit sad....


Rose,

How did you jump that hurdle? I'm still trying to digest the news and I'm feeling very sad.

I don't want to speculate, but there seems to be more to the issue of old age and frail health and "deteriorating strength of mind and body" that the Pope disclosed. And I can't help looking at the words (in translation) of his abdication notice.

What could the words,"shaken by questions of deep relevance for the life of faith" mean? Normally, I don't want to delve too deeply into such mysteries, but somehow my heart goes out to him and I'm praying, praying, praying for our Pope.

There had been signs, and he himself admits that there are crisis too “terrifying.” He had said that the greatest persecution of the church comes not from external attacks but from sin within the church.

Let me give what could be some little pieces of the puzzle:

1. The vision of Blessed Jacinta of Fatima of a Pope inside a big room. He is praying and weeping and being violently stoned by his persecutors. Outside are a lot of people who hate him and are expressing their anger at him.

2. To show that it can't be just a conspiracy theory, let me refer to two opposing newspapers - probably the first time they ever agreed on anything. From the left - a report from Fr. Z's favorite fishwrap on Pope Benedict's visit to Fatima. And from the right - an article in the Rad Trad publication, The Remnant. It seems that both sides agree that Pope Benedict may have been fighting lions and dragons around him. (Sorry about the figures of speech, but I have just been practicing the chant "Qui Habitat" for the First Sunday of Lent and there are images of lions and dragons in that psalm.)

"Benedict's insistence that the real problem is internal seemed to distance the pope from other senior Vatican officials, who in recent weeks have blamed the media and other parties for unjust criticism of the Catholic church," writes John L Allen Jr. of the National Catholic Reporter. And quoting Pope Benedict, Allen continues:

"In terms of what we today can discover in this (Fatima) message, attacks against the pope or the church don’t come just from outside the church. The suffering of the church also comes from within the church, because sin exists in the church. This too has always been known, but today we see it in a really terrifying way. The greatest persecution of the church doesn’t come from enemies on the outside, but is born in sin within the church. The church thus has a deep need to re-learn penance, to accept purification, to learn on one hand forgiveness but also the necessity of justice. Forgiveness does not exclude justice.

"With regard to this great vision of the suffering of the popes...other realities are indicated which over time will develop and become clear. Thus it’s true that beyond the moment indicated in the vision, one speaks about and sees the necessity of suffering by the church. It’s focused on the person of the pope, but the pope stands for the church, and therefore sufferings of the church are announced." --NCR, 5/11/2010

From the Remnant:

"Has Pope Benedict been driven from office by the wolves he feared when his Pontificate began? Recall his momentous words in the sermon during the Mass for what the conciliar neo-modernists refuse to call his coronation, but rather an “inauguration,” as if the Pope were a mere elected official: “Pray for me, that I may not flee for fear of the wolves.” Among the wolves are, as always, the numberless external enemies of the Church, many of whom demanded precisely that he resign...

"But we can be certain that the wolves the Pope has in view are preeminently the ones nearest to him, encircling him within the very confines of a Vatican bureaucracy that has crushed the monarchical papacy under the massive machinery of an ecclesiastical democracy installed during the post-conciliar revolution, with its “collegiality” and its “reform” of the Roman Curia. I am reminded here of Bishop Fellay’s revelation that during his audience with Pope Benedict at Castel Gondolfo in August 2005, he pleaded with the Pope to take action to restore the Church fully: “You are the Pope!” said Bishop Fellay (in substance) when the two of them were left alone for a moment. But the Pope, pointing to the door of the room in which the audience took place, replied forlornly: “My authority ends at that door.”

"And what is outside that door? The wolves in the Pope’s own household. The Pope himself confirms a veritable overthrow of the papacy to the extent such is humanly possible." By Christopher A. Ferrara, 2/11/13

REMNANT

3. From the prophesies of Our Lady's apparition in Akita, Japan. (The apparition has been approved by the Church; but the messages are still being determined.)

it was given to Sister Agnes Sasagawa on October 13, 1973:

"My dear daughter, listen well to what I have to say to you," Mary allegedly told the Japanese novice. "You will inform your superior. As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never have seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only arms that will remain for you will be the Rosary and Sign left by My Son. Each day recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the pope, the bishops, and the priests.

"The work of the devil will infiltrate even the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against other bishops. The priests who venerate Me will be scorned and opposed by their conferees…churches and altars sacked, the Church will be full of those who accept compromise and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord. The demon will be especially implacable against souls consecrated to God. The thought of the loss of so many souls is the cause of My sadness. If sins increase in number and gravity, there will be no longer pardon for them."


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And I doubt he will be elected for the very reason that he is speculating about it so openly.
I read elsewhere that his speculations have significantly decreased his already slim chances of election.

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What could the words,"shaken by questions of deep relevance for the life of faith" mean? Normally, I don't want to delve too deeply into such mysteries, but somehow my heart goes out to him and I'm praying, praying, praying for our Pope.

There is nothing mysterious. He is talking about questions faced by the world, not him. Read his statement carefully.

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I have seen more than one negative interpretation of Cardinal Turkson's remarks. Really, it seems like some media outlets are determined to twist them out of context.

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Rose West wrote:
...my second thought was that this is not a man who would be in error about something like this. He's too learned and too well steeped in how things are supposed to be done.

Once I jumped that hurdle, my thoughts are a bit sad....


Rose,

How did you jump that hurdle? I'm still trying to digest the news and I'm feeling very sad.
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It's just as I said about my second thought. This Pope is not a man who would be in error about something like this. He just isn't. He knows what's right, what's wrong, and what he can and can't do. If you believe he's wrong about this, you have to go back and question pretty much everything he's said and done, well... ever. Because he knows Church history, Church law, and he was one of the people who pretty much wrote the Catechism, to name a few achievements that made up Cardinal Ratzinger and Pope Benedict XVI.

Insofar as I have trusted Pope Benedict the whole time he's been the Holy Father, I have to trust that he's right about this. It doesn't necessarily mean I'm happy about it, but this is not something he would be wrong about. Yes, pray for him and be sad, but we ought not to allow ourselves to be troubled. This is still the Catholic Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail.

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Rose West wrote:
This Pope is not a man who would be in error about something like this. He just isn't. He knows what's right, what's wrong, and what he can and can't do. If you believe he's wrong about this, you have to go back and question pretty much everything he's said and done, well... ever. Because he knows Church history, Church law, and he was one of the people who pretty much wrote the Catechism, to name a few achievements that made up Cardinal Ratzinger and Pope Benedict XVI.

Insofar as I have trusted Pope Benedict the whole time he's been the Holy Father, I have to trust that he's right about this. It doesn't necessarily mean I'm happy about it, but this is not something he would be wrong about. Yes, pray for him and be sad, but we ought not to allow ourselves to be troubled. This is still the Catholic Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail.
Rose,
Well said. :)

Marie,
Although I haven't been watching popes for very long, I agree with Rose and I can NOT believe that he would let himself be driven out. No way.
This is man who grew up with the Nazis persecuting Catholics and religious in his own country. He saw his own parish priest beaten by Nazis.
Men like Benedict and John Paul are tough mentally and spiritually. Pope Benedict would not run away from back-stabbers and gossips, although
I am sure he was hurt by the butler who betrayed him, he wouldn't quit because of the frailties of sinners. Anyway... that is my take of the Holy Father.

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