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James Daly

"It is the Lord." (Jn 21:7)

There are some quarters in London where there are so many Punjabis that it no longer looks like Britain.Many Punjabis were taken to East Africa to build the East African Railway.They later settled and became businessmen.In the 60s and 70s these countries became independent.Since native Africans were no match for the indians they were kicked out-with the like of idi amin taking power.Britain was an easy option so many migrated there.
I have my cousins who went to Britain in the late 1950s. Even if one does not understand English one is accommodated.The rape case tells how bad India .
Migration does however create huge problems for the native British-they loose their culture and values to people who are there to'' work the system" for their own ends without assimilating British values.One marriage in ten is inter racial ,but I dont have figures of how many jobs are lost to foreigners
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/

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Simon

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20683744


This goes above my head -I have unfortunately a lot of scorn for the "Church Of England"-if the Roman Catholic Faith is identified with extremism and oppression-then I rather be in India than in England-

The British started their Raj in Bengal which is why Bengalis are good in English
What is interesting is that people who speak english badly read in church in london

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Simon

Maybe I am wrong but my perception is that Gujrati's ran businesses in the British Colonies and migrated to England afterwards.Those born in Britain may have never lived in India and would be better in English than Indian languages like Hindi .In my mind a mixed up people neither totally British nor totally Indian.Urdu is spoken in Pakistan so it could mean that many Pakistanis would be more at ease in england than with us Indian neighbours

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Simon

Meaning that there is no authority one can do whatever one likes?

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Simon

Simon,

Being British and having lived in London...


I don't consider it that much of a problem. What is a problem is the high number of immigrants without functional English. That's fine when someone arrives, but poses problems shortly after. The number is probably largely comprised of women and I suspect particularly women from Muslim backgrounds. This supposition is solely because the children usually integrate fairly quickly once they start school (it takes around a year for them to speak reasonably well, longer to achieve academically) and the men are more likely to be in work. This lack of functional English means problems with communication, which in turn causes difficulties vis a vis integration.

In my local area, the immigrant population is largely European - Portuguese and Polish, and increasingly from Romania and Eastern Europe. Over here, the Polish population, while very proud of their own culture, are pretty bilingual and those who don't have good English try to learn. The children, though, may not speak English until they start school. The Portuguese first generation tend to have reasonable English - it's the second wave, who arrived when there was already a strong minority, who don't. This is because they just met lots of Portuguese speakers when they arrived, work for other Portuguese etc.

The thing is, very few people round here consider immigration a problem, except insofar as we live on a small island with finite resources. Oh, some of the older people complain, but most of our immigrant population is pretty hard-working and does the things we don't want to do. There are people who just draw on the system, but there are Brits who do the same.

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Jules Xx


What will become of sinners?

Of course, some of my friends have unashamedly stayed here to raise their children because 1) it's safe, 2) it's beautiful and 3) we have good education.

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Jules Xx


What will become of sinners?

Its much more than that.I like the British legal system-fair play and justice.British laws have been in India since the 1860s-and thats a verifiable fact.The Indian Army,banking system , railways postal system have their roots in colonial times.Britain has produced fine scientists,artists and musicians-my horizon is limited of course.Good libraries and helpful people.
Consider the Delhi rape case.It would never occur in London.There men -at least some give up seats for women .men wait in a line People dont ignore those injured-they protect them.The police set the standards.People are honest and very hard working London is clean.
Somehow bright Indian students -study more in US Universities than British ones.One million Indians in the Uk is not a small number.Indians can buy houses in the UK but the British cant buy houses in Goa -a fact that pains me a lot- are you aware that many have lost huge investments because of shoddy Indian laws?
I just can't stomach the fact that British born Muslims should take to terrorism-it makes me quite mad-a total abuse of everything.
Integration is very important because your community spirit is very strong-One for all-all for one.So it is bad when immigrants stick out or isolate themselves in their own groups.
My perception that people from former British colonies would know better English than people from Eastern Europe ,Poland or Portugal

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Simon

http://www.britishcouncil.in/whats-on?f ... on_tid=All

Learning english is important for Indians.Students who wish to pursue studies abroad have to take the IELTS exam and score well.Many of our Indian IT professionals are poor at English-they have to take courses to improve their vocabulary and acquire an understandable accent.
Today the Govt of Goa subsidizes schools whose medium of instruction is English- an U turn from the nationalists who wanted everything in their mother tongue.They have realized that English cannot be ignored

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Simon

Simon,

Actually, where I am right now, we have no anti-discrimination laws at all and welfare isn't like it is in the UK...

And also, trust me, England isn't like you imagine. I lived and worked in the ghetto. Yes, the housing and sanitation is good, education is free, but gangs and drugs and not all that 'friendly'.

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Jules Xx


What will become of sinners?

Yes I know -I was scolded for returning home after dark-knife crime is common- many old timers are nostalgic about when England was far safer .I was told not to open the door to strangers.I was shielded from crime because I stayed in my brothers house- a senior IT manager.
I am astonished how you can walk the gauntlet of gangs and drugs and unfriendly people and still remain catholic
It is far easier to join them -be part of them.But a lotus blooms in muddy waters .Congratulations on still living in Gods Grace

PS see off topic thread

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Simon

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Simon