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PostPosted: 26 Feb 2013 07:05 
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I thought this interesting: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/26/italian-jeans-maker-with-trademark-on-jesus-cracking-down-on-us-apparel/!

So do we now have to pay royalties when we celebrate Mass, pray or print catechisms?
What moronic bureaucrat issued this Trademark? Should we register the name of Mary before someone else does, what about "God"?

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PostPosted: 26 Feb 2013 07:17 
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Your question is answered by reading the article you posted.

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Kardinal wrote:
Your question is answered by reading the article you posted.


The article says "If somebody, small church or even a big church, wants to use 'Jesus' for printing a few T-shirts, we don't care,", it also goes on to state the use cannot be for profit, that doesn't give me a lot of comfort. There are certain words and phrases which, due to historical and traditional usage, should never be trademarked and Jesus certainly fits that category. How far would they get if they wanted to trademark Muhammad?

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PostPosted: 26 Feb 2013 07:30 
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Do you know how trademarks work?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark

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A trademark, trade mark, or trade-mark[1] is a recognizable sign, design or expression which identifies products or services of a particular source from those of others.


They trademarked the brand Jesus for use in apparel. They did not trademark it for every use.

http://www.inquisitr.com/544947/jesus-j ... in-the-us/

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The Jesus Jeans trademark only applies to apparel in general, including jackets, vests, shirt, pants, and belts.

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Kardinal wrote:
Do you know how trademarks work?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark

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A trademark, trade mark, or trade-mark[1] is a recognizable sign, design or expression which identifies products or services of a particular source from those of others.


They trademarked the brand Jesus for use in apparel. They did not trademark it for every use.

http://www.inquisitr.com/544947/jesus-j ... in-the-us/

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The Jesus Jeans trademark only applies to apparel in general, including jackets, vests, shirt, pants, and belts.


Wouldn't you consider T-shirts apparel? I know many Christian churches and a few Catholic youth programs that sell Jesus themed T-Shirts. Trademarking a name like Jesus is as ridiculous as trademarking "radio", "television", "automobile" and yes even "Nike"; the historic use and connotation of those words should preclude any right to exclusivity by any private enterprise. I understand trademarking an originally coined word with a specific application like Google, Buick or Hydro-glide but not those cited above.

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Moving the goalposts, I see, Bob.

You were concerned about liturgical use in your first message. That's what I was replying to.

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I wonder if "Obama" is trademarked yet?

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I moved this thread as " Out of the Ordinary" is for news from the various offices of the Bishops.

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This is blasphemy. It ought to be challenged in the law courts on that ground.

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Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
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This is blasphemy. It ought to be challenged in the law courts on that ground.

James, moving the thread is blasphemy? :)

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So, why doesn't the Church copyright and/or trademark "Catholic", to prevent it from being used by our enemies?

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PostPosted: 26 Feb 2013 15:54 
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James, moving the thread is blasphemy?


Ho, ho. Perhaps that would be sacrilege (being an act) rather than blasphemy (an utterance).

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So, why doesn't the Church copyright and/or trademark "Catholic"?


Perhaps because our Holy Mother the Church is not a commercial enterprise?

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Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
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So, why doesn't the Church copyright and/or trademark "Catholic"?

Perhaps because our Holy Mother the Church is not a commercial enterprise?

Then why have they copyrighted certain editions of the Bible?

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PostPosted: 26 Feb 2013 18:47 
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David,

It is the translation that is copyright, not the Bible. (And that is IRP, not trade or commerce.)

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Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
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It is the translation that is copyright, not the Bible. (And that is IRP, not trade or commerce.)

Indeed.

Nevertheless, they require us to give them money before we can have access to the Word of God. It is reasonable to ask the question.

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Jeff,

You have access to the Word of God every time you attend Mass and every time you attend Divine Office. There is no charge.

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This is blasphemy. It ought to be challenged in the law courts on that ground.


I was forgetting the US no longer has laws against blasphemy.

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Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
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So, why doesn't the Church copyright and/or trademark "Catholic"?

Perhaps because our Holy Mother the Church is not a commercial enterprise?

Then why have they copyrighted certain editions of the Bible?

It is the translation that is copyright, not the Bible. (And that is IRP, not trade or commerce.)

James,

Whether it is a translation, or a format, or something else is irrelevant to my question.

If the Church doesn't copyright the term "Catholic" because the Church is not a commercial enterprise, then why does it copyright particular editions of the Bible, or anything else?

BTW, what does "IRP" mean?

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Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
You have access to the Word of God every time you attend Mass and every time you attend Divine Office. There is no charge.

But if you want to own the book you must purchase it, and the copyright owner probably collects a royalty on every sale. If you want to reproduce a substantial portion of it, you must get permission from the publisher and probably pay a fee.

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David,

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what does "IRP" mean?


Intellectual property rights.

I don't know what arrangements, if any, the Church (or rather, it differing bodies - eg ICEL) may have regarding copyright and royalties. I was simply making a possible suggestion as to why the word "Catholic" had not been registered as a trademark.

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Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
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what does "IRP" mean?


Intellectual property rights.

I don't know what arrangements, if any, the Church (or rather, it differing bodies - eg ICEL) may have regarding copyright and royalties. I was simply making a possible suggestion as to why the word "Catholic" had not been registered as a trademark.
I think the copyright for the New American Bible belongs to the USCCB [United States Conference of Catholic Bishops] who collect the royalties for its use. [I had best not comment on how this relates to their approval for its use in the liturgies. :tsk: ]

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I think the copyright for the New American Bible belongs to the USCCB [United States Conference of Catholic Bishops] who collect the royalties for its use. [I had best not comment on how this relates to their approval for its use in the liturgies. :tsk: ]

Checking the copyright notice in my NAB, it says:

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Copyright 1987 by World Bible Publishers, Inc.

Scripture texts used in this work are taken from the New American Bible With Revised New Testament, (C) 1986 Confraternity of Christian Doctrine. All Rights Reserved.
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No part of the New American Bible With Revised New Testament may be reproduced in any form without permission in writing from the copyright owner.


There is more, but that is the basic notice.

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LASaxman wrote:
gabriel wrote:
I think the copyright for the New American Bible belongs to the USCCB [United States Conference of Catholic Bishops] who collect the royalties for its use. [I had best not comment on how this relates to their approval for its use in the liturgies. :tsk: ]

Checking the copyright notice in my NAB, it says:

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Copyright 1987 by World Bible Publishers, Inc.

Scripture texts used in this work are taken from the New American Bible With Revised New Testament, (C) 1986 Confraternity of Christian Doctrine. All Rights Reserved.
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No part of the New American Bible With Revised New Testament may be reproduced in any form without permission in writing from the copyright owner.


There is more, but that is the basic notice.

The USCCB makes The entire New American Bible, Revised Edition available for reading on their website.

The use restrictions are spelled out here: Permissions Information Page
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ONE-TIME PRINT USE (SUCH AS IN A WORSHIP PROGRAM FOR A SPECIAL LITURGY)
No written permission is required for one-time use.
The official liturgical text must be followed. All excerpts must be verbatim from the text, including capitalization and punctuation. The poetic structure of those readings written in verse (for example, Psalms, Wisdom, Isaiah, etc.) must be preserved in verse as printed.
The appropriate acknowledgment must be printed either beneath the reading(s) or with the other acknowledgments:


I frequently use it. Before I retired from lectoring, I would print out a copy of Sunday’s readings on Saturday to familiarize myself with them.

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Funny, Mormons are always trying to give me the Book of Mormon and I remember finding a Gideon Bible in every hotel room when I traveled, not sure if the local Bible churches have any KJV freebies but I could find out. I do know the Bible church where we go to for a Christmas concert has KJV Bibles in the pews as does the local Lutheran church. Sometimes I think we Catholics are missing the point when it comes to evangelizing.

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This is blasphemy. It ought to be challenged in the law courts on that ground.
I was forgetting the US no longer has laws against blasphemy.

I fail to understand how trademarking the name "Jesus" could be considered blasphemy.

Catholic Encyclopedia wrote:
...defined by Francisco Suárez as "any word of malediction, reproach, or contumely pronounced against God...

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02595a.htm

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Funny, Mormons are always trying to give me the Book of Mormon and I remember finding a Gideon Bible in every hotel room when I traveled, not sure if the local Bible churches have any KJV freebies but I could find out. I do know the Bible church where we go to for a Christmas concert has KJV Bibles in the pews as does the local Lutheran church. Sometimes I think we Catholics are missing the point when it comes to evangelizing.

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bali wrote:
Funny, Mormons are always trying to give me the Book of Mormon and I remember finding a Gideon Bible in every hotel room when I traveled, not sure if the local Bible churches have any KJV freebies but I could find out. I do know the Bible church where we go to for a Christmas concert has KJV Bibles in the pews as does the local Lutheran church. Sometimes I think we Catholics are missing the point when it comes to evangelizing.

Precisely.

Aside - I'm not sure the copyright status of the Book of Mormon, but the KJV's been out of copyright for about 300 years, I thought? :)

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The coyright on the Authorized Version is held by the Crown.

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I fail to understand how trademarking the name "Jesus" could be considered blasphemy.


No, using the Most Holy Name as a brand name is blasphemous. (Personally, I believe the way some Protestants bandy about the Most Holy Name is blasphemous.)

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I fail to understand how trademarking the name "Jesus" could be considered blasphemy.

No, using the Most Holy Name as a brand name is blasphemous. (Personally, I believe the way some Protestants bandy about the Most Holy Name is blasphemous.)

What about the practice of naming children Jesus? I always kind of cringe when I hear of somebody named Jesus being accused or convicted of criminal activity.

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Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
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The coyright on the Authorized Version is held by the Crown.

Only where the Crown holds sway.

In the parts of the world not mired in the 17th century, the work is in the public domain.

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bali wrote:
Funny, Mormons are always trying to give me the Book of Mormon and I remember finding a Gideon Bible in every hotel room when I traveled, not sure if the local Bible churches have any KJV freebies but I could find out. I do know the Bible church where we go to for a Christmas concert has KJV Bibles in the pews as does the local Lutheran church. Sometimes I think we Catholics are missing the point when it comes to evangelizing.

Precisely.

How about another outrage of copyrighting the work of God...by our own Church?

The USCCB has taken Flocknote to task for emailing out excerpts of the Catechism of the Catholic Church in daily emails so that thousands can read through the whole Catechism in the Year of Faith. Violates their copyright.

Their...copyright. On the beliefs of the Catholic Church. This is not only an outrage, it is undermining the Great Commission by Our Lord.

http://www.flocknote.com/note/87705?tok ... afJy2wEjZC

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Is anyone else disgusted with the way that things like Catechisms, Missals, and the like are not freely available to be shared with the faithful? I mean, it's the freakin year of faith, and Warner and Co came up with this awesome free service to email you daily chunks of the Catechism. And our bishops conference--the same people who are responsible for instructing the faithful--is taking them to task for it.


This is an outrage. Copyrighting and restricting the use of FUNDAMENTAL Church documents undermines Christ's Great Commission. While I understand that justice requires that publishers and translators be paid a just wage, Divine Commands to spread the message are far more important. This is why we exist; to save souls and bring the love of God to all people.

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Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
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The coyright on the Authorized Version is held by the Crown.
It seems proper that Royalty should get the royalties. :wink:

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What about the practice of naming children Jesus?


That varies from one culture to another. It is common in Spanish-speaking communities, unheard of in English-speaking communities.

In Irish-speaking communities children are not named Mary. Out of respect for the Mother of God the name Mary is reserved to her - a variant form is used in naming children.

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In Irish-speaking communities children are not named Mary. Out of respect for the Mother of God the name Mary is reserved to her - a variant form is used in naming children.
I wonder if that is limited to Australia? My Irish grandmother was named Mary and named one of her daughters Mary.

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Muire (English: Mary) is an Irish name given exclusively to the Blessed Virgin Mary. The Irish name Máire is typically used for the name Mary. Muire is used exclusively for the Virgin Mary.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muire

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