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"Benedict has always loved the church and worked to do what was best for her.

"His resignation came as a surprise to me. We thank you for his years of devoted leadership and service and his brilliant teaching.

"We'll pray for him as he enters retirement. We must also pray for the church as she prepares to choose the next successor of St Peter."




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Australia's most senior Catholic George Pell has criticised the departing Pope Benedict, saying his decision to retire could set a precedent which may be a problem for future leaders.

The Archbishop of Sydney was speaking in Rome after the pontiff delivered his final public address in front of tens of thousands of people in St Peter's Square.

Australia's only representative at the forthcoming papal conclave to elect Benedict's successor told AM he stood by earlier comments in a television interview in which he said the Pope was a better theologian than he was a leader.



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He said Benedict's decision to step down had destabilised the church and said some of those surrounding the Pope had failed to support him in his ministry.

"He was well aware that this is a break with tradition [and] slightly destabilising," Cardinal Pell, who has been one of Benedict's strongest allies, told AM.

"But he felt that because of his weakness and sickness, which was only too evident today, that he didn't have the strength to lead the church in these demanding times.

"He's as aware as I am of the slight change to the tradition."



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"I think the governance is done by people around the Pope and that wasn't always done brilliantly," he said.

"I'm not breaking any ground there, this is said very commonly.

"A change of procedures would have made it more difficult but it's easy to be wiser after the event, it was totally unprecedented.

But he said he still believed Benedict had been a "magnificent teacher".


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THE Vatican played down Cardinal George Pell's comments that Pope Benedict's resignation was "destabilising,'' saying cardinals aren't media savvy.


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Spokesman the Reverend Thomas Rosica said it was unwise for the Vatican to comment on what cardinals say, and that journalists shouldn't take advantage of cardinals who, he said, aren't media savvy.

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Seems like a two edged sword

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Rats. I was sort of thinking Cardinal Pell would be a good pope, but I guess that scuttles his chances, doesn't it? Everybody will be mad at him.

I have already said that I worry about the precedent of a pope retiring. Maybe there will be a move towards having confidence votes in the college of cardinals every so often... that sort of thing.

However, Pope Benedict looked just about all done in yesterday. I bet he was sooo glad to get to Castel Gandolfo and take off those red shoes.

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I too felt that the butler had been left off too lightly.However we were graced with a very brilliant scholar and a very humble man.People who govern a huge body like the church will always have their critics.The wearer knows where the shoe pinches-criticizing the Pope Emeritus publicly is in bad taste.Which organisation does not have disagreements ?Do we wash our dirty linen in public?We are all human and make small mistakes inspite of the very best of intentions.

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Rats. I was sort of thinking Cardinal Pell would be a good pope, but I guess that scuttles his chances, doesn't it? Everybody will be mad at him.


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Cardinal Pell is a brave man for saying the truth. Hopefully not everybody will be mad at him but just those in the Curia.
I like Cardinal Pell a lot because of the work he's done toward restoring the sense of the sacred in the OF liturgy and his support of the EF. But he's so far away from Rome and may be lacking in the undefinable "Romanitas" that is so cherished in the inner circle of the Vatican. Also, as Seamus and Simon said, he's the only Cardinal-elector from Oceania and may have too few supporters from the other regions.

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THE Vatican played down Cardinal George Pell's comments that Pope Benedict's resignation was "destabilising,'' saying cardinals aren't media savvy.


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Spokesman the Reverend Thomas Rosica said it was unwise for the Vatican to comment on what cardinals say, and that journalists shouldn't take advantage of cardinals who, he said, aren't media savvy.

While I'm as skeptical of the Vatican's PR people as anyone (again, going to back to the adamant denials that John Paul had Parkinsons in clear contravention to anyone who knew anything about the disease), let's look at what Cardinal Pell actually said:

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"He was well aware that this is a break with tradition [and] slightly destabilising," Cardinal Pell, who has been one of Benedict's strongest allies, told AM.

"He's as aware as I am of the slight change to the tradition."


Slight. SLIGHT.

So of course the media leaves out "slight" and goes with "destabilizing", as if the stability of the Church itself is threatened by this move.

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"He was well aware that this is a break with tradition [and] slightly destabilising," Cardinal Pell, who has been one of Benedict's strongest allies, told AM.

"He's as aware as I am of the slight change to the tradition."


Slight. SLIGHT.

So of course the media leaves out "slight" and goes with "destabilizing", as if the stability of the Church itself is threatened by this move.

Good point. The media will seize on and twist anything to get a story. They really are not serving the common good when they do this.

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The media will seize on and twist anything to get a story.


The ten commandments for media on reporting the vatican

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That's good.

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I cannot tell you how many times I've seen "bark of Peter" in the last 2 weeks. :roll:

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I cannot tell you how many times I've seen "bark of Peter" in the last 2 weeks. :roll:

Well, it did start in the first official translation. :)

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Rats. I was sort of thinking Cardinal Pell would be a good pope, but I guess that scuttles his chances, doesn't it? Everybody will be mad at him.


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Cardinal Pell is a brave man for saying the truth. Hopefully not everybody will be mad at him but just those in the Curia.
I like Cardinal Pell a lot because of the work he's done toward restoring the sense of the sacred in the OF liturgy and his support of the EF. But he's so far away from Rome and may be lacking in the undefinable "Romanitas" that is so cherished in the inner circle of the Vatican. Also, as Seamus and Simon said, he's the only Cardinal-elector from Oceania and may have too few supporters from the other regions.


Marie – is suggesting the Pope was a better theologian than a leader seem to be stating a fact or is it an opinion? To me this is not stating the "truth".

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Rats. I was sort of thinking Cardinal Pell would be a good pope, but I guess that scuttles his chances, doesn't it? Everybody will be mad at him.....
Of course that may have been his intention. :wink:

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I too felt that the butler had been left off too lightly.

Do you know why the Butler did what he did?

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As His Eminence put it himself, "A win on a coutry track on a weekday doesn't make you a Melbourne Cup contender".

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So of course the media leaves out "slight"


It was the media who reported the "slight". You only know he said it because it was reported in the media.

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Do you know why the Butler did what he did?

No I am a person who would never dream of leaking secrets even if I disagreed.For example I feel that Bradley Manning could have leaked the video of "collateral murder" but not anything else.If he gets the death penalty he deserves it.I have had access to a lot of confidential information about people I knew but I have accessed it beyond my work.
I could never leak secrets of the Church to anyone.I believe we are all human and make big mistakes-like Card Roger Mahoney.If I were to work with such a man I would have left associating with him.
Benedict XVI is such a scholar that I would never question him or his manner of functioning.I still have a lot of subservience in me when it comes to people I respect.If I don't like someone in the Church I distance myself but never betray him or her.
There is a priest who does not believe in celibacy and wishes he could marry but I have have not reported him to his superior.
So I have not read much about the butler but I remember that he wanted to excite a debate

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Rats. I was sort of thinking Cardinal Pell would be a good pope, but I guess that scuttles his chances, doesn't it? Everybody will be mad at him.....
Of course that may have been his intention. :wink:

:) Maybe.

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is suggesting the Pope was a better theologian than a leader seem to be stating a fact or is it an opinion? To me this is not stating the "truth".


Bob,
I think Cardinal Pell was stating a fact - a fact like the proverbial "elephant in the room."

I don't see it as an attack on Papa Bene's skill as theologian vs. leader of the Church. Cardinal Pell has pointed out that the Pope is old and frail, may even be sick.

(For all his popularily and my own fondness of Bl. Pope John Paul II, I think he was not as great a helmsman as we'd have wished, either - Having left the Liturgy in complete disarray while he traveled all over the world fighting communism during his long pontificate. But that's beside the point.)

IMO, Papa Bene's skill (or perceived lack of it) in governing Vatican state is not nearly as important as him restoring the sense of the sacred in the Liturgy. The Liturgy is what saves the world. It's the source and summit of our lives, the font of all sacramental graces. It's what touches every single one of us who lives outside of the Vatican. So what he has accomplished for the Liturgy is what makes Pope Benedict great.

But back to Cardinal Pell, perhaps his favorability rating among the other Cardinals has not quite diminished. (Or maybe he has not much to lose.) In fact, a couple of American Cardinals actually seem to be defending his point of view - or at least trying to explain what he meant:

Cdls. Pell, Dolan, O'Malley, etc.

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In a separate interview, Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York said Thursday that Pell probably meant that, like himself, the resignation "kind of shook us and startled us because we are not used to it."

"A pope dying is natural — a pope stepping aside is something new to us. So it was startling," he added.

Another American cardinal, Sean O'Malley of Boston, said "it is a whole new ball game after this resignation" but "it is very difficult to forecast how it will play itself out."

O'Malley did suggest the cardinal electors might decide to elect an older man "realizing that he is not going to have to carry this burden on into his 90s and that if he becomes incapacitated," he could resign — in line with Benedict's explanation that he was no longer up to the task.


Prescribing medicine to a debilitating and demoralizing condition may even be seen as a kind of kindness.

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Pell and others have raised the problem of governance in light of the scandal over leaks of Vatican documents by the pope's butler and the need to tighten procedures in the Curia, the central offices of the church.

"It would be useful to have a pope who can pull the show together, lift the morale of the Curia, and strengthen a bit of the discipline there and effectively draw on all the energies and goodness of the great majority of the people in the curia," Pell said.

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I do agree with a lot of what you say about how Pope Benedict has addressed the Liturgy in such a beneficial way. That and his writings are what make him great, so we are in agreement. :)

I still see the suggestions around weakness in leadership made by Bishop Pell as opinion and not fact, which I happened to not agree with.

I also believe that managerial or administrative skills are not the same as leadership skills. I think about how St. Peter and St. Paul fought openly. One could suggest that maybe St. Peter could have been better at managing the disagreements, but I still think he probably was a very effective leader.

Thanks for addressing my point.

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And won.

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While I'm as skeptical of the Vatican's PR people as anyone (again, going to back to the adamant denials that John Paul had Parkinsons in clear contravention to anyone who knew anything about the disease)...

Would you believe I woke up thinking about this. Why did they do that since Catholic moral teaching says the end doesn't justify the means?

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I also believe that managerial or administrative skills are not the same as leadership skills.


Bob,
If the difference is what you meant, then I agree with you.

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Management and Leadership are two terms often used synonymously, however a person manages assets, and leads people. There is some crossover of course is that good workers are also assets.

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Why did they do that since Catholic moral teaching says the end doesn't justify the means?


Enough of John Paul II's Parkinson's - let's remember happier times.

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Pope John Paul II entered the papacy as an avid sportsman, enjoying hiking and swimming. The 58-year old was extremely healthy and active, jogging in the Vatican gardens to the horror of Vatican staff, who informed him that his jogging could be seen by tourists climbing to the summit of the dome of St. Peter's Basilica. The pope's response, according to media reports, was "so what?" When the cost of installing a swimming pool in his summer residence was queried by cardinals, John Paul joked that it was "cheaper than another conclave".

John Paul's obvious physical fitness and looks earned much comment in the media following his election, which compared his health and trim figure to the poor health of John Paul I and Paul VI, the portliness of Pope John XXIII and the constant claims of ailments of Pius XII. The only modern pope with a keep-fit regime had been Pope Pius XI (r: 1922-1939) who was an avid mountain climber. An Irish Independent article in the 1980s labelled John Paul "the keep-fit pope".



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Friends,

In reading the linked article by John Cornwell below, I'd like to suggest that the reader:

1. First brush away the thick layers of sensationalism.

2. Note that most people referred to in the article remain unnamed, except for former President of the Vatican Bank, Archbishop Paul Marcinkus, who is placed in a bad light.

3. Note that the author of this article is also the author of the controversial book, "Hitler’s Pope" about Pope Pius XII. (Cromwell later REPUDIATED his own criticism of Pope Pius XII, saying, "I would now argue, in the light of the debates and evidence following Hitler's Pope, that Pius XII had so little scope of action that it is impossible to judge the motives for his silence during the war." Perhaps Cromwell will later repudiate what he now writes about Benedict's own "silence" but for now, give him the benefit of a doubt.)

Having taken all that precautions, this article argues that Pope Benedict maybe a martyr of the Papacy. That view is augmented by former Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor, former head of the Catholic Church in England, who declares that the Vatican must "put its own house in order".

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In a bold castigation of the Papacy and the Curia, the cardinal said: ‘There is no doubt that today there needs to be renewal in the Church, reform in the Church, and especially of its government.’


Maybe Murphy-O'Connor and Pell have different reasons for "criticizing the Pope", but at least they agree on one thing: "those surrounding the Pope had failed to support him in his ministry." Isn't the corruption in the curia the elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about? (I will also grant that in a roundabout way, Cardinal Pell might just be mourning the Pope's sudden resignation.)

So why does Pell get media flack and Murphy-O'Connor doesn't? Is it because Pell is an elector and Murphy-O'Connor isn't?

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It's not only the sede that is vacante; somebody's diary is empty.

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Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
It's not only the sede that is vacante; somebody's diary is empty.

http://www.sydneycatholic.org/people/ar ... ents.shtml


LOL! :o :o :) :)

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I do agree with a lot of what you say about how Pope Benedict has addressed the Liturgy in such a beneficial way. That and his writings are what make him great, so we are in agreement. :)

I still see the suggestions around weakness in leadership made by Bishop Pell as opinion and not fact, which I happened to not agree with.


Thank you, Bob.

Cardinal Pell was among Pope Benedict's most energetic and most ardent co-workers (in Vox Clara) in reforming the Novus Ordo Mass by putting back the "sense of the sacred" in the new English translations. Cardinal Pell is also a staunch supporter of Summorum Pontificum.

For that matter, I can not see Cardinal Pell severely attacking Pope Benedict's managerial style, just to put his legacy down. Perhaps Cardinall Pell, like most of us, was just shaken and heartbroken to see him go, and was anxious for what his abdication might cause the Church. Which, I think, is perfectly understandable. I'll give Cardinal Pell a pass on this one.

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The first problem I have with Cornwell is his view that Benedict longed to be Pope. It seems that every other indication is that he did not want to be pope. It makes sense given his sensibilities that he would not covet that position.

I profess to not understanding how a Pope cannot just clean up the curia left and right if he so chooses. I don't mean now if Pope Benedict XVI is too unhealthy, but before when he became Pope. Why couldn't he just clean house? I'm not faulting him but I honestly don't understand the problem.

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To a certain extent I believe he did. As I said in another thread last year

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But to be fair I think we need only look at a few of the quiet personnel changes. They are very telling. Removing Piero Marini as papal MC and replacing him with Guido Marini (unrelated). Good move! Replacing Sodano with Bertone. Good move! Restoring (as emeritus) Domenico Bartolucci to his rightful position... AND making him a cardinal. Good move!



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An Australian cardinal said that future popes are likely to follow in the footsteps of Benedict XVI.

“I think his pontificate will be typical of pontificates of the future,” said Cardinal George Pell of Sydney, Australia.



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“The world of the press is very powerful, coming often with quite a different and hostile agenda, but I think the Holy Father answered that challenge and I think he answered it well,” he said.

The cardinal, who travels to Rome frequently, said he knows “just how important it is for us to discern what the Spirit wants us to do and to get it right.”

“When I go into the conclave I’ll be thanking God that I’m not alone in making this decision,” he said. “I will be with 114 of us, all wise cardinals, with an enormous range of experience.”

“Many of them would have been through much tougher times than I ever have,” Cardinal Pell added.




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Cardinal Pell described Benedict XVI as “very much the German gentleman,” “a gentle, faithful and prayerful priest,” and “a very kind and wonderful man.”

The cardinal, who worked closely with Pope Benedict, said the resigned pontiff had displayed “brilliant” teaching and had worked hard during these last eight years.

“I remember him very fondly and with gratitude and I felt a real moment of sadness this morning,” said Cardinal Pell.

“I felt for him, as he had to decide whether it was time to go, whether it was beyond him,” he added.



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In reading the linked article by John Cornwell below, I'd like to suggest that the reader:



SERIOUSLY?! :( [] You posted a hit-job piece by the Catholic-hater Cornwell, the guy who wrote Hitler's Pope, which is a bunch of lies and trash?! :( []

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The first problem I have with Cornwell is his view that Benedict longed to be Pope. It seems that every other indication is that he did not want to be pope. It makes sense given his sensibilities that he would not covet that position.
That is an obvious fabrication of his hateful mind. Like the entire piece. The problem is that many people will read it and believe it.

I can't believe we are discussing this. Well... I'm NOT going to beyond this post. I'm out of here for a while.

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I'm sorry, Grace, but I did warn you. :(

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What are we discussing here? That Pope Benedict had a less than ideal Curia bureaucracy that wounded his otherwise sterling papacy. Cardinal Pell and retired Cardinal Murphy OConnor both noted it (among others) which seemed to have placed Pell in danger of becoming a persona non grata among his peers?

It's unfortunate, and it's not the Pope emeritus' fault, and it may not have anything to do with his governing style at all. My point is that the scandals have marred the face of the Church and even Pope Benedict had acknowledged it. Cardinal Pell merely said what many have been thinking all along.

Maybe the AP will have more credibility than Cornwell:

POPE REFLECTS ON CORRUPTION

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VATICAN CITY – Pope Benedict XVI has lamented the "evil, suffering and corruption" that has defaced God's creation in a final address to the officials who run the Vatican bureaucracy.

... For the past week, Italian Cardinal Gianfranco Ravasi has led the Vatican on meditations that have covered everything from the family to denouncing the "divisions, dissent, careerism, jealousies" that afflict the Vatican bureaucracy.

Ravasi's blunt critique of the dysfunction within the Vatican Curia, exposed by the leaked document scandal, comes as cardinals from around the world are arriving for the final days of Benedict's papacy and the conclave to elect his successor. Bureaucratic reform is a major priority for the next pope.

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So of course the media leaves out "slight"


It was the media who reported the "slight". You only know he said it because it was reported in the media.

Ah yes, an excellent cover. Shame they left it out of the HEADLINE. That's kind of important in terms of what the reader takes away from the piece, no?

Oh, I'm sorry, it was ABC. That explains much.

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The first problem I have with Cornwell is his view that Benedict longed to be Pope.


Val,

That was a common interpretation by the media during the last Conclave - Having heard the impressive homily (delivered in Latin) by then Cardinal Ratzinger at the pre-Conclave Mass, where he said the biggest problem in the world today was the "dictatorship of relativism." (If I remember correctly.)

Quite a few in the media interpreted that homily as Ratzinger's "campaign speech," and it may well be what moved the Cardinals to vote him as Pope. But I think he actually meant it to be his farewell address as Dean of the Sacred College, before he retire for good and go home to Bavaria.

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How many winds of doctrine have we known in recent decades, how many ideological currents, how many ways of thinking. The small boat of the thought of many Christians has often been tossed about by these waves - flung from one extreme to another: from Marxism to liberalism, even to libertinism; from collectivism to radical individualism; from atheism to a vague religious mysticism; from agnosticism to syncretism and so forth. Every day new sects spring up, and what St Paul says about human deception and the trickery that strives to entice people into error (cf. Eph 4: 14) comes true.

Today, having a clear faith based on the Creed of the Church is often labeled as fundamentalism. Whereas relativism, that is, letting oneself be "tossed here and there, carried about by every wind of doctrine", seems the only attitude that can cope with modern times. We are building a dictatorship of relativism that does not recognize anything as definitive and whose ultimate goal consists solely of one's own ego and desires.




http://www.vatican.va/gpII/documents/ho ... 18_en.html

It is often forgotten that each year for the last three years of Bl John Paul II's pontificate Cardinal Ratzinger offered his resignation as Prefect of the CDF, explaining that he wanted to go back home to Regensburg and write two or three books. Thrice his resignation was refused with the words "Joseph, I need you".

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I cannot tell you how many times I've seen "bark of Peter" in the last 2 weeks. :roll:

Are we quibbling over spelling now? I believe that either "barque" or "bark" is an acceptable variant.

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Definition of BARK

1 a: a small sailing ship

    b: a sailing ship of three or more masts with the aftmost mast fore-and-aft rigged and the others square-rigged

2: a craft propelled by sails or oars

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I believe that either "barque" or "bark" is an acceptable variant.


That is true... in the United States.

To anyone living in the civilised world (those places where cricket is played) "bark" looks decidedly wrong.

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I believe that either "barque" or "bark" is an acceptable variant.


That is true... in the United States.

To anyone living in the civilised world (those places where cricket is played) "bark" looks decidedly wrong.

James,

I think you got that backwards.

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Where I am the correct spelling is barque.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definitio ... e?q=barque

(You can click on "US English" for the American.)

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To anyone living in the civilised world (those places where cricket is played) "bark" looks decidedly wrong.


You do realize that Cricket is played in the US?

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Test Cricket.

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To anyone living in the civilised world (those places where cricket is played) "bark" looks decidedly wrong.


...you misspelled "civilized". :)

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Test Cricket.


No thanks.

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are very telling. Removing Piero Marini as papal MC and replacing him with Guido Marini (unrelated). Good move!


James,

That was one of Benedict's most brilliant moves! Which just shows he had placed great priority on the spiritual welfare of the people over world or curia politics.

Changing one Marini for the other pretty much took care of those ugly ethnic Offertory dances and topless return-to-paganism lectresses in some pre-Benedictine papal Masses. (Okay, just one JPII Mass - in Papua, New Guinea in 1984.) But still! :( []

Did you say, James, that Pope Benedict was planning on issuing something like "Redemptoris Sacramentum" on Liturgical Music? I suppose we won't see it now? One of the reasons why it's so heartbreaking to see him go - the "Reform of the reform" isn't quite finished yet. :(

I really hope someone whose heart is in the right place as regards the Holy Mass takes over where Benedict left. Maybe Cardinal Ranjit of Sri Lanka or Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria?

Or, Cardinal Pell of Australia! Now, that'll be really cool!

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Don't forget the Indian erotic temple dancers at Bl Teresa of Calcutta's beatification.

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Did you say, James, that Pope Benedict was planning on issuing something like "Redemptoris Sacramentum" on Liturgical Music? I suppose we won't see it now?


Yes, a great pity that remains unfinished. Perhaps the new pope will also see the need for it?

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