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PostPosted: 22 Apr 2012 17:50 
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The title is the subject of the 2011 Rerum Novarum Oration delivered at the ACU Central Hall in Brunswick Street Fitzroy.

In it His Lordship raises a number of social justice issues of concern to Catholics.

http://www.youfixittube.com/watch?v=obT ... ure=relmfu
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Vincent Long Van Nguyen is a Roman Catholic bishop in the Archdiocese of Melbourne, Australia.[1]

He was born in 1961 in Gia-Kiem, Vietnam, and joined the diocesan minor seminary. He and his family came to Australia in a refugee boat in 1980.



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In 1983, Nguyen became a Conventual Franciscan friar and studied for the priesthood in Melbourne. After his priestly ordination on 30 December 1989, he went to Rome for further studies...

Pope Benedict XVI appointed him as an auxiliary bishop in the archdiocese in May 2011.



Also, for any who've not read of it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rerum_novarum

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And the address in reply by Malcolm Fraser

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It's a scandal that administrative decisions which result in indefinite detention are made outside judicial scrutiny.


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In his 1885 book An Introduction to the Study of the Law of the Constitution, the great English jurist AV Dicey said, "No man is punishable or can be lawfully made to suffer in body or goods except for a distinct breach of law established in the ordinary Courts of the land."

This, he argued, was the first principle of the rule of law. With his book, Dicey shaped the English-speaking world's legal philosophy. He formalised the ideals suggested in documents like the Magna Carta, but which can be traced back to Aristotle.

So compare Dicey's high principles to a statement made by the head of ASIO, David Irvine, to a parliamentary committee in November last year.

Explaining why he wouldn't even tell Parliament the grounds on which his organisation makes security assessments for refugees, the ASIO boss said, "Once the criteria for making assessments are known, then you will find very quickly that all the applicants will have methods of evading or avoiding demonstrating those characteristics."



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The Department of Immigration only refers asylum seekers to ASIO for security checks after it's been determined they qualify for refugee status. It's one of the last steps. By the time ASIO looks at them, the Australian Government already believes they have a well-founded fear of being persecuted.

So when a refugee receives an adverse security assessment, they're thrown into administrative limbo. They are unable to return home (too dangerous for them) and they are unable to enter Australia (too dangerous for us). The result is indefinite detention. It's a classically bureaucratic non-solution. Just lock them up forever and hope the problem goes away.



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So the issue here is not simply about justice for the 50-odd refugees stuck in this administrative black hole. Without institutional safeguards, the Australian public should have no confidence in ASIO's decisions. The ASIO chief may have meant his assurances to be comforting, but they only remind us that his assurances are all we've got.


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By not implementing a right for refugees (or their security-cleared advocates, or a tribunal) to question the merits of individual cases, we have, by accident, established a system where we literally lock people away forever just because somebody at ASIO "reckons".

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Locking up 51 men and women assessed as genuine refugees and keeping them in detention indefinitely without any charge being laid and without giving them a reason, is a travesty of justice, says Father Jim Carty, Coordinator of the Marist Asylum Seeker and Refugee Centre.

Joining many others who work with refugees and leading social justice advocates, Fr Carty has given his full support to the High Court challenge mounted last week by human rights lawyer, David Manne which hopes to bring an end to refugees being locked up after adverse findings by ASIO.



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Although David Manne represents only one of the 51 currently held in indefinite detention, any High Court ruling would have ramifications for each one and for any future asylum seekers found to be genuine refugees but denied a security clearance by ASIO.

Fr Carty hopes the High Court challenge will correct Australia's policy of indefinite detention that is so at odds with the UN Convention for Refugees which Australia helped draft and write in 1951. The Convention to which Australia is also a signatory promises to protect the rights and safety of those fleeing from persecution, torture and risk to their lives. But 60 years later, he says both sides of politics are trying to abrogate their responsibilities under the Convention.


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While I have never been detained ,I have visited an immigration office to enquire about my status while in England.The reception understandably was not polite.I dont have any animosity or anger becasue quite frankly immigrants are a burden on the system.Worse still they take advatge of or abuse the system for their own ends.They can also be hardly be called patriotic and would not shed their blood for the host country.

Facts are facts.Foreign missionaries are not allowed in India and foreigners cannot buy land in India.We cannot expect different treatement from that what we give to others.
Enrica Lexie.Is it just to detain a vessel for 2 months?

India has a large market but given the fact that indians cant work freely ,it has retaliated by not allowing free trade especially from the EU

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A Sri Lankan asylum seeker facing indefinite detention because of an adverse security assessment has won his bid for an urgent hearing in the High Court.

The full bench of the High Court will consider the case on June 18.



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The man's lawyers say indefinite detention is unlawful.

They argue he has been denied procedural fairness because he has not been allowed to know what the adverse assessment is based on, and cannot challenge it.


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While in the UK I used to visit Sri Lankan restaurants which were used to collect money for the LTTE.How many sri lankans are fluent in English?

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They can also be hardly be called patriotic and would not shed their blood for the host country.


I forget the percentage but a very large percentage of our all volunteer military is Hispanic...many no doubt the children of immigrants. But, overall, I do get dismayed at the attitude of many immigrants that they have a right to everything the country offers but do not consider themselves Americans even if naturalized.

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I forget the percentage but a very large percentage of our all volunteer military is Hispanic


According to this report >>>>> http://www.armyg1.army.mil/hr/docs/demo ... ROFILE.pdf

6% of Commissioned Officers are Hispanic

8% of Warrant Officers are Hispanic

13% of Enlisted personnel are Hispanic

Report is for US Army only and is FY11. It is likely that the other branches will have similar proportions. I don't think I would classify that as very large but certainly significant.

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I forget the percentage but a very large percentage of our all volunteer military is Hispanic


According to this report >>>>> http://www.armyg1.army.mil/hr/docs/demo ... ROFILE.pdf

6% of Commissioned Officers are Hispanic

8% of Warrant Officers are Hispanic

13% of Enlisted personnel are Hispanic

Report is for US Army only and is FY11. It is likely that the other branches will have similar proportions. I don't think I would classify that as very large but certainly significant.


Considering the relatively high population percentage of Hispanics living in the US (approaching 50%), I'd consider that a fairly low percentage of participation. Most of the statistics I've read for all service branches are in the 10% to 12% range; based on total US population the Asian-American military participation is higher.

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How many Sri Lankans are fluent in English?


Most.

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Sinhalese and Tamil are the two official languages of Sri Lanka. The Constitution defines English as the link language. English is widely used for education, scientific and commercial purposes. Members of the Burgher community speak variant forms of Portuguese Creole and Dutch with varying proficiency, while members of the Malay community speak a form of Creole Malay that is unique to the island.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lanka

Should proficiency in English be one of the requirements for refugee status? The UNHCR doesn't think so.

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A refugee is a person who is outside their country of origin or habitual residence because they have suffered persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or because they are a member of a persecuted 'social group'. Such a person may be referred to as an 'asylum seeker' until recognized by the state where he or she makes his or her claim.


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How many Sri Lankans are fluent in English?


Most.

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Sinhalese and Tamil are the two official languages of Sri Lanka. The Constitution defines English as the link language. English is widely used for education, scientific and commercial purposes. Members of the Burgher community speak variant forms of Portuguese Creole and Dutch with varying proficiency, while members of the Malay community speak a form of Creole Malay that is unique to the island.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lanka

Should proficiency in English be one of the requirements for refugee status? The UNHCR doesn't think so.

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A refugee is a person who is outside their country of origin or habitual residence because they have suffered persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or because they are a member of a persecuted 'social group'. Such a person may be referred to as an 'asylum seeker' until recognized by the state where he or she makes his or her claim.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee


It would not makes sense to require a refugee to be proficient in the host country language, however, once asylum is granted the refugee should be required to learn the language to at least a "survival" level of proficiency.

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Opposition toughens refugee policy

Asylum seekers who arrive in Australia without a passport or identity papers are being targeted in the federal Opposition's new refugee policy.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-09/o ... cy/4062132

We lurch suddenly from bad to worse.

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Should proficiency in English be one of the requirements for refugee status

It seems that in the UK it is a must

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If you are applying for naturalisation as a British citizen or for indefinite leave to remain, you will need to show that you know about life in the UK. If you live in England, Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland, you can do this in two ways: by taking the Life in the UK Test or by taking combined English for Speakers of Other Languages (ESOL) and citizenship classes.

The British are fiercely proud of their culture.They have every right to demand that anyone seeking refuge on their shores knows at least their language.
And that is Universal.If one wants to live in India one should know the local lingo.
When I think about Indian students who were bashed Up in Australia,i think they deserved it.It is not about learning in India and then seeking citizenship-it is about integrating with the community.Did Indian students fail there??
I have close relatives(first cousins) in the UK ,Portugal ,the USA and Canada and Australia,the key I would think is not to irritate the local communities but blend in and contribute.
I think that the British born Islamic terrorists became so because they failed to integrate with the locals.It is very important at least to speak the language and assimilate the host countries values.

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The community of 15,000 is dominated by seven mosques


This is important because this guy may have never really seen a strong Christian community-leave alone people without any faith.How would he integrate into the wider community with such a background?

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Was the anger justified in any way?

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I spoke as one of the speakers in Salt Lake City and Bishop Wester was another one of the speakers and the topic was immigration. My wife was asking for asylum and the immigration authorities were trying to deport her and separate our family. The situation is complicated and neither of us wants to do anything illegal so we ended up filing 29 forms which turned out to be over 10,000 pages of paper since many times the forms have to be mailed to 2 different locations.

You ask "is there a just solution" and I have ideas and I have interviewed many people that have come over illegally. The children that were brought here when they were young had no choice and did not break the law. The people that were caught crossing were considered criminals yet those that were not caught 11.5 million are only considered guilty of a civil infraction rather than a crime strange as it may sound. Most are willing to pay some sort of fine even if it were $5,000 yet all of them feel that deporting a father, mother or both or separating the family is unjust.

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The people that were caught crossing were considered criminals

To my Indian mind it is indeed criminal to enter another country's borders illegally.However the rule should be applied universally so when westerners enter another country illegally -they should expect no mercy

We had a case when Italian Marines aboard a tanker (enrica lexie)accidentally shot dead Indian fishermen mistaking them for pirates.

A lot of Indians were against any sort of understanding or leniency for the Italians arguing that Indians could expect no mercy in Western countries for similar accidents in their waters.

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There is, to my mind, a difference between invading another country because there may be an opportunity for a better life and escaping to another country to avoid persecution by an unjust or tyrannical entity. The former I classify as an illegal immigration the latter as seeking asylum. In the former I would expect there should be consequences including detainment and deportation; in the latter, true asylum, I would expect a compassionate response. It will take some finite period to determine which is the case for each individual which may require a brief detainment but there is no need for that detainment period to be inhumane.

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Not so. In the UK it is a requirement for migrants, not refugees.

The question asked by Bishop Vincent Long Van Nguyen makes it clear he is talking about asylum seekers, not migrants with largely economic motives - an entirely different subject.

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Not so. In the UK it is a requirement for migrants, not refugees.


I am sorry I confused the two

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I don't know the specific circumstances of this problem in Australia as per OP and I wouldn't dare to comment on it, and I see that we have moved to the broader issue of immigration. I'll just point out that in many parts of the world there seem to be a prejudice against common sense - again, I don't know if that is true in the Australian circumstances - a prejudice according to which presumed good intentions correspond to moral obligations binding on citizens and legislators regardless of the consequences of certain policies and the responsibilities of the countries of orgin of the immigrant/asylum seeker. That, even when the record makes it abundantly clear that said policies not only fail to achieve the intended results but in fact have a role in making the problem worse with blood-dripping consequences for the weak and the poor, no matter how good do-gooders will feel. As Bob wisely noted, there is a sharp difference between1) asylum seekers and refugees; 2) immigrants; 3) ILLEGAL immigrants.

Being against ILLEGAL immigration has nothing to do with being "against immigrants" and much less asylum seekers or refugees, and it is telling of how very ill-intentioned people have seized control of the discourse on this subject that one even has to specify it. It doesn't even have much to do with being against illegal immigrants per se, since they are quite often - but not always - victims of a perverted system put in place by corrupt politicians and organizations both in the country of origin and in that of destination. By the same token real or alleged flaws of the legislation in force in a given country are NOT a justification for encouraging ILLEGAL immigration through well-intentioned but actually catastrophic policies. There is no "right" to ILLEGAL immigration. To encourage and facilitate it is to provide a helping hand to and in fact to increase the profits of drug and prostitution cartels who exploit innocents who were hoping to run away from hell-holes around the world. A nation has a right - a duty, in fact - to protect its borders and to estabilish criteria for LEGAL immigration. Any other position will make it impossible for a nation to survive in an ordered way and so it will soon became unable to help anybody. Those who call all this "hate" or "anti-immigrant" are either completely oblivious to reality or have bought into shameless propaganda. Or, they have a well-known agenda and they should not be allowed to get away with it. Think about it, what do they say about the Catholic doctrine on say, sexuality? that it is "anti-gay" or against "equality". What do they say about worthiness to receive Holy Communion? that it is against freedom of thought. What do they say about our position on contraception? that is is "anti-woman". And so forth. They will make sure to constantly confuse legal and illegal immigration, the actual desperate cases and criminal activities so that any objection will be perceived as the fruti of "hatred" and lack of "compassion" on a subject that tolerates - nay, requires - much more prudential judgment than abortion or contraception, because no situation is the same as anotherwhile killing innocents is always wrong regardless of circumstances. As Bl. John Paul II said in the massage for the world Day of Peace 2001, 'in such a complex issue there are no "magic" formulas'.

From the Catechism http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P7W.HTM
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2241 The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.

Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.

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The Church recognizes this right in every human person, in its dual aspect of the possibility to leave one’s country and the possibility to enter another country to look for better conditions of life" (Message for World Day of Migration 2001, 3; cf. John XXIII, Encyclical Mater et Magistra, 30; Paul VI, Encyclical Octogesima adveniens, 17). At the same time, States have the right to regulate migration flows and to defend their own frontiers, always guaranteeing the respect due to the dignity of each and every human person. Immigrants, moreover, have the duty to integrate into the host Country, respecting its laws and its national identity. "The challenge is to combine the welcome due to every human being, especially when in need, with a reckoning of what is necessary for both the local inhabitants and the new arrivals to live a dignified and peaceful life" (World Day of Peace 2001, 13).

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Asylum seekers, who fled from persecution, violence and situations that put their life at risk, stand in need of our understanding and welcome, of respect for their human dignity and rights, as well as awareness of their duties. Their suffering pleads with individual states and the international community to adopt attitudes of reciprocal acceptance, overcoming fears and avoiding forms of discrimination, and to make provisions for concrete solidarity also through appropriate structures for hospitality and resettlement programmes. All this entails mutual help between the suffering regions and those which, already for years, have accepted a large number of fleeing people, as well as a greater sharing of responsibilities among States.

The press and the other media have an important role in making known, correctly, objectively and honestly
[fat chance! quoth I], the situation of those who have been forced to leave their homeland and their loved ones and want to start building a new life.

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As Bl. John Paul II said in the massage for the world Day of Peace 2001, 'in such a complex issue there are no "magic" formulas'.

Our archdiocese is against migrants from other states but I disagree .I don't feel this is a sin and that I am perfectly right to have my own opinion on the issue even if it contradicts the church
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Simon,

that's another very local situation so it would be hard to judge it from afar. You can certainly disagree on such very practical matters, on condition that your disagreement is based on legitimate arguments. Also, is this opposition by the archdiocese expressed by the Archbishop himself in the exercise of his pastoral duties or is it the product of some diocesan "social justice" committee made of clerical bureaucrats whose command of moral theology, legislation and economics is as good as my fluency in Goan dialect?

Because if you can disagree with your bishop on matters of prudential judgment when you have acceptable arguments to support your position, you can certainly disregard the product of 1970 sociology recast as social doctrine of the Church (supposing this is what is going on in this instance). if their argument is based on racist premises there is no need to even ask if you can disagree. You must. And send a note to the Nuncio if they insist.

I am sure they are not saying that they don't want any non-Goan to ever move to Goa, are they.

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it the product of some diocesan "social justice" committee made of clerical bureaucrats whose command of moral theology, legislation and economics is as good as my fluency in Goan dialect?

That is very well put.My arguments are my own - First of all my family owns land and if if i sell it to non goans I get a far higher price even if the money is illegal
Second I have a bitter experience of my ancestral rice fields being acquired at an absurd price for a football ground opp the village church.The Archdiocese was silent on such a socialist policy.The football ground is never used at in the monsoons gets inundated in a foot of water . India is nowhere on the world stage as far as football goes
Third my experience with non goans is that they are not necessarily bad just not catholic.
Racism is present because we cannot sell land to EU Nationals which I find very bad
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Attracted by the fine weather, beautiful coastline, friendly locals and favourable exchange rate, hundreds of British people who have visited Goa on holiday have decided to make it their home.
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Hundreds of others are still waiting to get the all-clear from the investigators, and are equally in the dark as to their misdemeanours.
Advocate Vikram Varma is representing about 15 of these people. He says that FEMA, the law which has worked so well since 2000, is now being reinterpreted by the Goan government in a way which effectively excludes foreigners from buying property.

Goa has at present about 20% of its population from other indian states.The fear is that the infrastructure will be unable to cope with such an influx.Already we have polluted rivers,garbage dumped all over,deforestation of prime tropical forests ,noise pollution,crimes committed by non goans who then escape-so the Council of social Justice does have valid points

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Lawyers for a Sri Lankan man being held in indefinite detention over an adverse security assessment will take on ASIO and the Federal Government in the High Court today.


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His lawyers say he has been denied procedural fairness because he cannot challenge the assessment.

The case will consider three key questions: whether the man received procedural fairness from ASIO; whether the migration act permits the removal of a refugee to whom Australia has an obligation; and whether indefinite detention is legal.



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The court will be asked to reconsider a decision that indefinite detention is legal, made in a four-to-three ruling in 2004 in relation to a failed asylum seeker who was stateless.

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Staff shortages, poor quality information and basic computers are hampering ASIO's role in vetting asylum seekers for security threats.

The Australian National Audit Office has uncovered lengthy delays in the spy agency's processing of security assessments, as it deals with the sharp increase in boat arrivals.



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The audit also found security assessment processes were robust, but hampered by incomplete or poor quality information provided by the Department of Immigration.

"For example ... 38 per cent of permanent visa referrals and 30 per cent of temporary visa referrals had incomplete information and/or data quality issues which required the case to be sent back," the report states.

It also criticised the computing system used to triage cases, describing it as very basic and potentially unstable.


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PostPosted: 28 Jun 2012 04:16 
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Is the Church's
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Prime Minister David Cameron grabbed the front pages of British newspapers today with a hard-hitting speech on immigration. Mass immigration, he said, had caused “discomfort and disjointedness” in some neighbourhood and placed real pressures on communities.

Elsewhere in Europe criticism of mass immigration is growing. In Italy, the anti-immigration rhetoric is particularly intense following a sudden influx of migrants fleeing the turmoil in North Africa.

The Catholic Church has urged the Italian government to receive the migrants generously, sparking angry denunciations by politicians opposed to immigration. They claim that the Church is hopelessly naïve about immigration and challenge the bishops to put their words into action by opening Church properties to the new arrivals.

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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2012 20:14 
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The High Court has found the denial of a protection visa to a Sri Lankan man with an adverse security assessment from ASIO was not valid.


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The 36-year-old man had been deemed a refugee but was unable to secure a protection visa because of a regulation associated with the ASIO assessment.

He has been detained for the past three years and is one of 55 other refugees in a similar situation.


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Roxon considers next move after refugee decision


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The Federal Government is playing down the significance of the High Court ruling that found a Sri Lankan refugee could not be denied a visa, despite being deemed a security risk.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-06/g ... ng/4299124

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Federal Immigration Minister Chris Bowen has announced asylum seekers will be released into the community on bridging visas but will not be allowed to work.




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DOUG CAMERON, LABOR SENATOR (to press): I don't want people to come here and starve, I don't want an underclass to be created in Australia.

CHRISTIEN MILNE, GREENS LEADER (to press): Cruel hasn't worked, let's see if we can be even more cruel.

JOURNALIST: Are you aware of the reputation for cruelty, frankly, that Australia is now developing overseas?

CHRIS BOWEN (at press conference): I completely reject that assertion.


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The Labor Party group lobbying for refugees says MPs are in breach of the party's platform if they back the latest changes to the asylum seeker policy.


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The Labor caucus was not consulted about the latest change, which is expected to be raised when left faction MPs meet today.

Labor for Refugees spokesman, Robin Rothfield, urges them to speak out.

He argues offshore processing and denying asylum seekers the right to work are both in breach of the party platform.

"The consequence should be that Labor starts abiding by its own platform - they signed a pledge when endorsed as a candidate to uphold the platform," he said.

"If they're not prepared to uphold the pledge they should resign from the party. If they're not prepared to abide by the rules of the party they should leave the party."

Mr Rothfield says asylum seekers should be treated with compassion and dignity.


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The United Nations refugee agency has released a scathing report on the Manus Island detention centre in Papua New Guinea.

The report accuses the Australian and PNG governments of breaching their international human rights obligations.

They say the temporary living conditions are harsh and in some cases inadequate.



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"If the sole purpose of transfer from Australia to Papua New Guinea was to process people, one would expect there'd be some kind of process in place for people when they get there.

"These 221 people are being held in mandatory closed and indefinite detention, which is a very serious violation of international law."


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