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PostPosted: 29 Jan 2013 23:45 
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SF Archbishop: Legalizing Gay Marriage is Like ‘Legalizing Male Breastfeeding’

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(CNSNews.com) – Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone, who leads the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of San Francisco, said that same-sex “marriage” is so contrary to nature that legalizing it would be like “legalizing male breastfeeding.”

In a Jan. 28 interview with Mary O’Regan for the Catholic Herald in England, Archbishop Cordileone cautioned against using the term “gay marriage” because it is a natural impossibility, and to keep using those words only perpetuates a charade. He likened the impossibility of same-sex marriage to another biological impossibility: “Legislating for the right for people of the same sex to marry is like legalizing male breastfeeding.”

He also said, “Truth is clear. Wanting children to be connected to a mother and father discriminates against no one. Every child has a father and a mother, and either you support the only institution that connects a child with their father and mother or you don’t.”


I would agree that “Legislating for the right for people of the same sex to marry is like legalizing male breastfeeding”.

In other words, the Utopian 'equality' that the collectivist left strives for can not be legislated into existence. Utopia imposed equates to hell on Earth.

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PostPosted: 30 Jan 2013 01:14 
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Wow. Well, he obviously believes in the old saying, "In for a penny, in for a pound." :)

Archbishop Cordileone is a courageous man. Unsurprisingly, he has a page on Courageous Priest.

I also like the comparison I read somewhere that it is not discrimination to not allow homosexuals to marry any more than it is to deny blind people driving licenses.

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PostPosted: 30 Jan 2013 15:19 
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Grace,

With respect, I think the analogy a bad one. It relies on a physical impossibility rather than a logical one. A better analogy would be that legislating for same sex "marriage" is like legislating for four-sided "triangles".

Now, on perhaps a pedantic point, "legalising" is not the word. It suggests that same sex "marriage" is at present a crime and that there are those who wish to change that. (Think of cannabis.) That is not the case. Same sex "marriage" is not provided for in law and is not legally recognised. The position is, again, closer to four-sided "triangles" than cannabis.

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PostPosted: 30 Jan 2013 15:26 
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Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
With respect, I think the analogy a bad one. It relies on a physical impossibility rather than a logical one. A better analogy would be that legislating for same sex "marriage" is like legislating for four-sided "triangles".

I knew that something was bothering me about it.

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Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
Grace,

With respect, I think the analogy a bad one. It relies on a physical impossibility rather than a logical one. A better analogy would be that legislating for same sex "marriage" is like legislating for four-sided "triangles".

Now, on perhaps a pedantic point, "legalising" is not the word. It suggests that same sex "marriage" is at present a crime and that there are those who wish to change that. (Think of cannabis.) That is not the case. Same sex "marriage" is not provided for in law and is not legally recognised. The position is, again, closer to four-sided "triangles" than cannabis.
I don't know whether it is truth or urban legend that one of our state legislatures passed a bill setting Pi equal to 3 in order to simplify calculations.

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PostPosted: 30 Jan 2013 19:06 
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Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
Grace,

With respect, I think the analogy a bad one. It relies on a physical impossibility rather than a logical one. A better analogy would be that legislating for same sex "marriage" is like legislating for four-sided "triangles".

Now, on perhaps a pedantic point, "legalising" is not the word. It suggests that same sex "marriage" is at present a crime and that there are those who wish to change that. (Think of cannabis.) That is not the case. Same sex "marriage" is not provided for in law and is not legally recognised. The position is, again, closer to four-sided "triangles" than cannabis.


Taken together, your two arguments actually support the Bishop's statement -no respect necessary.

Since same sex marriage until recently has never been illegal and never happened and as such, by all measures and all intents it has been a physical impossibility -then those who now seek to legalize it are in essence not removing a criminal sanction but rather attempting to create into existence that which is an impossibility and and as well imposing a criminal sanction upon those who oppose the delusional exercise that seeks to legalize the impossible.

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PostPosted: 30 Jan 2013 19:31 
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I realize this isn't the point but just as a (perhaps) interesting aside, I heard a woman from the La Leche league (think that's what's it called...this was years ago) say that they had some men who breastfed by having the hormone prolactin administered to them...prolactin being what is needed for milk production. In fact, some anti-psychotics can cause men to lactate.

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PostPosted: 31 Jan 2013 00:00 
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Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
Grace,

With respect, I think the analogy a bad one. It relies on a physical impossibility rather than a logical one. A better analogy would be that legislating for same sex "marriage" is like legislating for four-sided "triangles".


I like that one, too. :) I'm terrible at philosophy and logic and all that. Isn't a physical impossibility a logical impossibility? Image

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“Sexual relations between a man and a woman are naturally and necessarily different from sexual relations between same-sex partners. This truth is part of the common sense of the human race. It was true before the existence of either Church or State, and it will continue to be true when there is no state of Illinois and no United States of America. A proposal to change this truth about marriage in civil law is less a threat to religion than it is an affront to human reason and the common good of society. It means we are all to pretend to accept something we know is physically impossible. The Legislature might just as well repeal the law of gravity.” - Cardinal Francis George

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PostPosted: 31 Jan 2013 14:53 
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Grace,

That's a great remark from Cardinal George.

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Isn't a physical impossibility a logical impossibility?


No, it isn't. There are any number of things that as a simple mater of practicality are impossible, though they do not defy logic.

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Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
Grace,

That's a great remark from Cardinal George.

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Isn't a physical impossibility a logical impossibility?


No, it isn't. There are any number of things that as a simple mater of practicality are impossible, though they do not defy logic.


How about explaining this physical impossibility logically -how do homosexual sex practitioners consummate a homosexual 'marriage'?

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dlm wrote:

How about explaining this physical impossibility logically -how do homosexual sex practitioners consummate a homosexual 'marriage'?

Well.... the whole concept of marriage is going to be redefined for society -- just to suit homosexuals.

James posted this in another thread.
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The Government’s “Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill” was published on Friday outlining details of how a raft of existing marriage laws are to be amended to include same-sex couples.
The only surprise in the bill was a clause making it impossible for gay or lesbian people who marry to divorce on grounds of adultery.
Lawyers and MPs said the distinction created inequality between heterosexual and homosexual couples in the divorce courts and could ultimately lead to he abolition of the centuries-old concept of adultery.
It came after Government legal experts failed to agree what constitutes “sex” between people of the same gender.
Gay couples will also be barred from having their marriage annulled on grounds of non-consummation for the same reason.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religio ... s-now.html

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Arwen wrote:
dlm wrote:

How about explaining this physical impossibility logically -how do homosexual sex practitioners consummate a homosexual 'marriage'?

Well.... the whole concept of marriage is going to be redefined for society -- just to suit homosexuals.

James posted this in another thread.
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The Government’s “Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill” was published on Friday outlining details of how a raft of existing marriage laws are to be amended to include same-sex couples.
The only surprise in the bill was a clause making it impossible for gay or lesbian people who marry to divorce on grounds of adultery.
Lawyers and MPs said the distinction created inequality between heterosexual and homosexual couples in the divorce courts and could ultimately lead to he abolition of the centuries-old concept of adultery.
It came after Government legal experts failed to agree what constitutes “sex” between people of the same gender.
Gay couples will also be barred from having their marriage annulled on grounds of non-consummation for the same reason.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religio ... s-now.html


Quite evidently they redefine marriage to fit an abstract and absurd construct. This is logical? :roll: :roll: :roll:

It would appear that there are some natural inequalities that are very persistent and hard to deny -no matter the efforts of the pseudo supernatural elite social engineers wishing to legislate them out of existence. The many more problems they create attempting to better God will always require many more solutions and logical manipulations to 'perfect' -such is the battle cry of those intent upon winning the collective future one imposed individual sacrifice at a time.

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Grace,

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...logically impossible propositions, i.e., propositions which could not possibly be true under any circumstances in any universe because they are formal contradictions. While it is logically possible for the sky to be green, it is not logically possible for a square to be circular in shape.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_possibility

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With this understanding of logical possibility in mind, other logical modalities may be defined in terms of it: a proposition is logically necessary if it is not logically possible for it to be false, logically impossible if it is not logically possible for it to be true, and logically contingent if it is logically possible for it to be true and also logically possible for it to be false.

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Thank you, James!

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