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PostPosted: 30 Apr 2012 17:12 
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For a long time I've thought Australia could become something of a special country, a demonstration of a country that was competitive, fair and compassionate. And I'm afraid those hopes have been dashed a bit over the years.

We've had 20 years of uninterrupted growth, solid, sustained growth for 20 years, and yet we've got more homelessness, distribution of income and wealth is more unequal now than it was 20 years ago, we've got infrastructure, social and economic, that is breaking down and creaking.



http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3492320.htm

Bernie Fraser has served both as the Secretary of the Treasury and as the Govenor of the Reserve Bank.

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The education building program, the insulation programs, unfortunately they were pretty disastrous and the implications of those sort of failures have rebounded adversely on all government spending. It's really given the Coalition some free kicks, that here's a government spending money and wasting money and therefore governments shouldn't spend, they shouldn't run deficits, they shouldn't have debt.

To listen to the Coalition spokespeople, I hear echoes of the Republicans and the more extreme Tea Party Republicans. All this folksy nonsense about governments have to live within their means, governments have to behave like households and like businesses, that government spending is bad, deficits are bad, debt's bad - all this to me is nonsense really because governments are not like households, they're not like businesses, they have responsibilities that go beyond.


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PostPosted: 30 Apr 2012 18:50 
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Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
To listen to the Coalition spokespeople, I hear echoes of the Republicans and the more extreme Tea Party Republicans. All this folksy nonsense about governments have to live within their means, governments have to behave like households and like businesses, that government spending is bad, deficits are bad, debt's bad - all this to me is nonsense really because governments are not like households, they're not like businesses, they have responsibilities that go beyond.



Eerily reminiscent of some statements said here in the US by the elite progressives (critical thinkers one and all) e.g. Folksy nonsense.

I wonder, what does he term his variety of nonsense?

RE: "they have responsibilities that go beyond." Does he get specific on this anywhere?

As an aside, the Obama administration has come to the same conclusion -[they] go beyond the limits set forth in the US Constitution in pursuit of their utopian ends.

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PostPosted: 30 Apr 2012 21:34 
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Daniel,

Well he was a Treasury officer from 1963 to 1989, so I don't suppose he really knows much about economics. He was eventually the department's permanent head (if you're a fan of Yes, Minister and Yes, Prime Minister, think of Sir Frank) so I suppose that proves he doesn't. I don't imagine his being Govenor of the Reserve Bank from 1989 to 1996 really means much either. That he is credited with getting inflation under control without damaging employment levels or sending interest rates out of control is probably just a conspiracy.

Of course, as an independent director of several industry superannuation funds and a director of Members Equity Bank he would have to be one of your "utopians" who wants to destroy the world.

Funnily enough, he's usually considered something of an economic conservative. Always on about "elite progressive" stuff such as the importance of fiscal responsibility. No wonder Tony Abbott finds economics "boring" (his word). But I'm sure that's all just a ruse to fool all of us all of the time. It didn't fool you though, did it, Daniel?

The very Australians he is criticising as sounding a lot like the Tea Party movement would be horrified by the comparison. But you knew that, didn't you, Daniel?

I had thought the phrase "competitive, fair and compassionate" a resonably good description of the sort of political-economy any Catholic might think worth working towards. Perhaps I should've known better.

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It's a bit difficult James, when you are dealing with the new "Chosen Race".

If you watched "Four Corners" last night, you will get my drift.

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I'm not responding to anyone in particular but I did read that being president of the federal reserve was somehow an indication of elevated fiscal intelligence, at least that's the way I interpreted it. If we understand that the value of money must be based on some precious commodity to sustain it's value then we should realize that the Fed is the antithesis of fiscal intelligence. Money printed or coined just because we think we need more not only is of no real value, it's value is based on what we agree it might be and the more we issue devalues even further the understood or proclaimed value of the currency already in circulation. The fact is the Fed is a scam which will ultimately result in the financial destruction of this and any country employing such a scheme.

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PostPosted: 01 May 2012 15:23 
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Peter,

Oh, yes, I saw it. Nothing we didn't already know, but still disturbing for that.

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Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
I had thought the phrase "competitive, fair and compassionate" a resonably good description of the sort of political-economy any Catholic might think worth working towards. Perhaps I should've known better.


"Conservative"; "progressive"; "competitive"; "fair"; and yes, even "compassionate" mean different things regionally in addition to their usage often being hijacked and meaning something quite differently from what some may assume. Many words have evolved "progressively" in such a manner e.g. marriage. I will assume you really did not know better.

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