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Fred,

"Our Bishop" - yours or ours?



Quite understandable, isn't it? Preaching for disobedience can be more devastating than unorthodoxy.

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Pax et bonum,
Marie

JMJ

Upon some reflection I have concluded that the distinction is primarily a political one. It would appear that among these Independent Catholics there are those that support abortion, those that support contraception, those that support homosexual sex, and those that support illegal immigration amnesty. The common denominator is not God nor is it all the various special causes -it is self interest as embodied by a political party and a cult of personality --their golden calf...

This far from anything new...

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Daniel

"Do you think that I have come to establish peace on the earth? No, I tell you, but rather division." -- Luke 12:51

I'm sorry, but I don't want to embarrass the Bishop even more. Besides, I'm not sure if I'm even welcome to post any links other than those that come from .va domain I have had some problems with my links before here.



I'm not quite sure what you're asking. If the case is "understandable", then I presume you should also understand what kind of Bishop I was talking about.

By the way, all Society's faithful fully acknowledge local Bishops, even if they are not very friendly towards them.

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Fred

Sancte Michael Archangele,
defende nos in prælio;
contra nequitiam et insidias diaboli esto præsidium.

And of course it would give us a chance to see both sides of the story.

Shame.

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Jeff Stevens

There are really no other sides to it. The Bishop didn't want to be under the same roof with a Society's priest at an ecumenical event which was organized by the people of one of his own parishes. That's it. He would have been happy with Lutherans and Eastern Orthodox Christians, but not him. And no, the Society's lecture had nothing against the post-conciliar developments of the Church--that would be unthinkable at such a time and place. It was purely touching the developments of false liberty in the secular society, just as Pope Leo XIIIth taught it in his encyclica written in 1888. And, he should have known it, as the organizers knew it and undoubtedly told him so.

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Fred

Sancte Michael Archangele,
defende nos in prælio;
contra nequitiam et insidias diaboli esto præsidium.

Fred,
Why don't you ask the Bishop why he's not very friendly with your Society?

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Pax et bonum,
Marie

JMJ

Fred, another question:

Does the SSPX forbid its members from going to Novus Ordo Masses?

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Pax et bonum,
Marie

JMJ

Public acts are fair game. Give us the details or you have no credibility. I'm not going to deal with or give any credibility to anonymous Internet hearsay.

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Jeff Stevens

SSPX is a Catholic organization of priests, only they are members of the Society. The faithful are just ordinary Catholics who are served by it in matters that the post-conciliar Church fails to deliver. Some of the faithful also attend NO Masses, most of them do not. But all are welcome. In that sense this situation is a little paradoxical too: those who preach tolerance and freedom of worship, are the most intolerant in their acts, and could not stand people going to Society's Masses. The others, who teach true religion and do not say that Catholicism is just a little better than Islam, are understanding and compliant. Well, life's full of such paradoxes.





You don't need to. It was presented as a funny story, remember? You may take it as a fiction if you like.

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Fred

Sancte Michael Archangele,
defende nos in prælio;
contra nequitiam et insidias diaboli esto præsidium.

Fred, why the SSPX in lieu of the FSSP or even a local parish celebrating the TLM?

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BobA

Fred,

Who are these others you are referring to that say Catholicism is just a little better than Islam?

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Ian DC
Blessed Ever Virgin Mary -- Sanctuary and resting-place of the Blessed Trinity where God dwells in greater and more divine splendour than anywhere else in the universe

Of course, there's a difference in teaching also, FSSP is more "politically correct", but as for Mass, I wouldn't mind attending it. They are just nowhere to be found around here. And the local parish "extraordinary" Masses are too extraordinary: once or twice a month, and on a totally abnormal time.



I recall my parish priest talking something like that in a homily. And, you can find an army of liberal Bishops in that position. Even if they do not say it verbally, all their actions seem to indicate that.

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Fred

Sancte Michael Archangele,
defende nos in prælio;
contra nequitiam et insidias diaboli esto præsidium.

Fred,

Let's be clear with one thing. Be careful that when you are referring to the "others" you do not mean them to refer to what the Catholic Church in unity with Pope Benedict XVI teaches. There are priests and bishops who are not teaching correctly and are not conforming to Church teachings and they are a problem that must be dealt with to get them back on line.

But faithful Catholics have also been advised by their bishops not to attend SSPX masses because the SSPX are not in clear unity with the Pope and some of their teachings are also problematic and will have to be dealt with as well.

So, I do not appreciate you coming into this forum to insinuate that you and the SSPX have all the answers, when clearly you do not, and telling us the Church and the Second Vatican Council have erred in their teachings.

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Ian DC
Blessed Ever Virgin Mary -- Sanctuary and resting-place of the Blessed Trinity where God dwells in greater and more divine splendour than anywhere else in the universe

How so? Can you cite examples of FSSP teaching vs SSPX?

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Pax et bonum,
Marie

JMJ

Fred,

The FSSP is loyal to Rome; the SSPX isn't. A very strange use of the term "politically correct". I've never heard Catholicism described as "politically correct".

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James Daly

"It is the Lord." (Jn 21:7)

Not so strange. The term is usually used to describe the motives of those the user disagrees with. After all, they couldn't possibly be sincere, therefore they must do what they do out of political correctness.

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David L (CA)
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.” - Groucho Marx

David,

I don't think so. I've never heard the Shooters' Party described as "politically correct".

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James Daly

"It is the Lord." (Jn 21:7)

I can assure you all, especially Fred, that neither of the two priests at the FSSP I attend are anywhere close to what today would be termed PC! Wish I could say the same for the priests at the two OF parishes I attend, both parishes could use a good dose of Hellfire and Brimstone preaching.

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BobA

I don't know much about the Shooter's Party, but I've never heard the term "politically correct" used to describe a person or group the user was in agreement with.

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David L (CA)
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.” - Groucho Marx

David,



I'll give you three guesses.



I've only heard it used by the Right to refer derisively to the Left. Just as the term "moral panic" is used by the Left to refer to the Right.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooters_and_Fishers_Party

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James Daly

"It is the Lord." (Jn 21:7)