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PostPosted: 05 Jan 2013 16:38 
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So states President Obama. I am glad that President Obama had nothing to do with adopting the Bill of Rights.

Obama: religious freedom provisions in defense bill ‘unnecessary and ill-advised’

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WASHINGTON, D.C.,January 13, 2013, (LifeSiteNews.com) – Provisions that protect the conscience rights of military chaplains that were included in the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) are “unnecessary and ill-advised” said President Obama in a signing statement this week.

Section 533 of the defense bill was crafted in response to fears that the repeal of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy under the Obama administration would lead to reprisals against chaplains who have moral objections to the homosexual lifestyle, or who refuse to perform same-sex “weddings.”
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That section says that no member of the armed forces may “require a chaplain to perform any rite, ritual, or ceremony that is contrary to the conscience, moral principles, or religious beliefs of the chaplain.”

It also says that they may not “discriminate or take any adverse personnel action against a chaplain” for refusing to perform the ceremonies.

The language was introduced by former Rep. Todd Akin, R-Missouri.

While the president signed the bill with the conscience protections intact, he issued a signing statement criticizing them.


President Obama and his Administration have a track record that shows clearly a concerted effort to abolish and or subvert the inalienable right of Religious Freedom. I have a feeling that a few provisions, no matter how well intentioned, will matter not to a political machine that subverts a Constitution and God so easily.

President Obama remains “fully committed to continuing the successful implementation of the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, and to protecting the rights of gay and lesbian service members; Section 533 will not alter that,” he said.

How noble a cause -platitudes abound. However, reality is quite different when one actually delves beyond the theatrical surface and takes a look at the substance behind the stage curtains and beyond the glowing mass media reviews.

What I find odd, is that homosexual sex was never legal in the military yet President Obama continues to imply that repealing "Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell" was a watershed moment -a return to the homosexual sex freedom once enjoyed by downtrodden 'gay' beings?

What President Obama actually implies is that his administration is fully committed to continuing the successful legalization of homosexual sex in the military, and to protecting the homosexual sex rights of those service members who choose to engage in homosexual sex; any supposed Religious Freedoms that get in the way of this homosexual sex 'progress' will subverted.

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PostPosted: 05 Jan 2013 17:44 
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"Unnecessary" seems like a good description.

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PostPosted: 05 Jan 2013 18:01 
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LASaxman wrote:
"Unnecessary" seems like a good description.


Why do you think that?

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PostPosted: 05 Jan 2013 19:37 
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Rose West wrote:
LASaxman wrote:
"Unnecessary" seems like a good description.


Why do you think that?
Because the President is going to ignore them like any other law that gets in his way.

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PostPosted: 05 Jan 2013 21:00 
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gabriel wrote:
Rose West wrote:
LASaxman wrote:
"Unnecessary" seems like a good description.


Why do you think that?
Because the President is going to ignore them like any other law that gets in his way.


That was my take on his comment, but I wondered what David meant.

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gabriel wrote:
Rose West wrote:
LASaxman wrote:
"Unnecessary" seems like a good description.


Why do you think that?
Because the President is going to ignore them like any other law that gets in his way.


That is as much a fault of the citizenry and Congress as it is Obama; we do, or rather are supposed to, have a Representative Democracy.

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bali wrote:
gabriel wrote:
Rose West wrote:
LASaxman wrote:
"Unnecessary" seems like a good description.


Why do you think that?
Because the President is going to ignore them like any other law that gets in his way.


That is as much a fault of the citizenry and Congress as it is Obama; we do, or rather are supposed to, have a Representative Democracy.


I agree with you to some extent -America gets what it deserves as a result of who it elected. The question I ask is how much longer will America put up with this perverted form of governance?

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PostPosted: 17 Jan 2013 13:44 
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For any interested or maybe for those naive and still in denial, a recent article on the issue.

Muzzling Military Chaplains

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One of the items on Obama’s second term agenda is to root out traditionally Christian chaplains from the military. He sees them as bigots unworthy of conscience protections. Like Chick-fil-A, they don’t uphold Obama’s “values.”

Obama’s mouthpieces in the military have already blurted this out. In 2010, Admiral Michael Mullen told a Christian chaplain who opposed the repeal of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy that “If you cannot get in line, resign your commission.” That same year Lieutenant General Thomas P. Bostick, the Army’s deputy chief of staff in charge of personnel, said military members who dissent from Obama’s gay rights agenda should “get out.”

“Unfortunately, we have a minority of service members who are still racists and bigoted and you will never be able to get rid of all of them,” he said, as reported by the Washington Times. “But these people opposing this new policy will need to get with the program, and if they can’t, they need to get out.”

Pentagon officials go through the motions of saying that military chaplains still enjoy religious freedom. But this claim grows ever more lawyerly and narrow. When Defense Department Counsel Jeh C. Johnson testified before Congress about the implications of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy’s collapse for religious freedom, he said that it would not affect what a chaplain said in “the religious context.” In other words, chaplains would be punished for objecting to Obama’s gay rights agenda anywhere outside of a pulpit.

But even that feeble promise isn’t worth taking seriously, since Obama’s military officials have already regulated sermons from the pulpit. Last year they forbade Catholics chaplains from orally criticizing the HHS mandate, permitting only a printed objection to it. How long before the Army’s Office of the Chief of Chaplains requires vetting of all sermons on homosexuality?

At Maoist-style reeducation sessions, soldiers and chaplains have already been told that “You remain obligated to follow orders that involve interaction with others who are homosexual even if an unwillingness to do so is based on strong, sincerely held moral or religious beliefs.”

Also, it is not even clear if military chaplains control who speaks from their pulpits. It is likely that they will have to turn them over to other ministers preaching at gay nuptials whenever the Pentagon so decrees . A September 2011 memo from DOD general counsel Johnson indicates that any chapel space on a military base can be appropriated for gay weddings, which is a blatant violation of the Defense of Marriage Act. “Determinations” of chapel space, he wrote, “should be made on a sexual-orientation neutral basis.” By 2011, in open defiance of DOMA, the military authorized ministerial training for gay marriage ceremonies on military bases.

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PostPosted: 17 Jan 2013 14:41 
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David,

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"Unnecessary" seems like a good description.


Unnecessary because it's already covered by the First Amendment?

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PostPosted: 18 Jan 2013 08:14 
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Seamas O Dalaigh wrote:
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"Unnecessary" seems like a good description.


Unnecessary because it's already covered by the First Amendment?


You would think it is. But the Obama administration seems to be attempting to drive a wedge between freedom of worship and freedom of practice. In other words, his take on the First Amendment is that it guarantees the freedom to worship, but not the freedom to govern our lives, our businesses, or our participation in public according to the moral teachings of our faith. The implications of that split, if it succeeds, are ominous.

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PostPosted: 18 Jan 2013 08:26 
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In other words, James, we are free to go to Mass on Sunday or any other day and we're even free to pray in our homes, but don't dare resist the state's compelling you to do something that goes against your faith's moral code, and do not think that your faith's moral code is to be allowed to influence public policy (unless it agrees with the administration's own policy, in which case he will use the Church's support as a stick to beat his political opposition into submission).

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PostPosted: 18 Jan 2013 09:00 
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Dean,

That is pretty well stated.

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PostPosted: 18 Jan 2013 12:24 
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BobC wrote:
Dean,

That is pretty well stated.


Agreed. Accurate description.

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Dean,

Thanks.

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