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 Post subject: Re: Rely on the SCOTUS
PostPosted: 30 Dec 2012 10:55 
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and Sotomayor's ruling are to me an indication of how the SCOTUS will ultimately rule



It may be indicative as to her opinions, but not necessarily the whole court. What we know for certain is that she saw no need for an emergency ruling.


I believe the SCOTUS consists of three liberals, three conservatives and one wildcard at the moment; if this takes long enough to be hears the court could be decidedly liberal in makeup due to replacements. If there is an abstaining vote resulting in a tie the tie breaker is very liberal, an Obama toady.

There was just as much reason to grant an injunction as not, the justice (sic) allowed her personal opinion to override common sense.



You may well be correct on the court makeup. I think the absolute opposite ruling from the 7th Court will force a SCOTUS Ruling

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 Post subject: Re: Rely on the SCOTUS
PostPosted: 30 Dec 2012 15:05 
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Regardless of the court makeup, the SCOTUS may well decide whether this country as we know it survives or not with the interpretations on the 1st, 2nd and 4th Amendments it is likely going to have to make in the next four years. If even one of them falls the rest will eventually crumble, they are totally interconnected.

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 Post subject: Re: Rely on the SCOTUS
PostPosted: 30 Dec 2012 15:18 
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Regardless of the court makeup, the SCOTUS may well decide whether this country as we know it survives or not with the interpretations on the 1st, 2nd and 4th Amendments it is likely going to have to make in the next four years. If even one of them falls the rest will eventually crumble, they are totally interconnected.



While not always the case, often good men and women in these positions rise to the occasion and vote for the Constitution, and not with their political leanings. Let's hope and pray this will be one of those times.

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 Post subject: Re: Rely on the SCOTUS
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BobC wrote:
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Regardless of the court makeup, the SCOTUS may well decide whether this country as we know it survives or not with the interpretations on the 1st, 2nd and 4th Amendments it is likely going to have to make in the next four years. If even one of them falls the rest will eventually crumble, they are totally interconnected.



While not always the case, often good men and women in these positions rise to the occasion and vote for the Constitution, and not with their political leanings. Let's hope and pray this will be one of those times.


I have never wanted more to be wrong on a gut feeling than I am on my trust in the SCOTUS; I hope you are correct. I will continue to pray for a Christian outcome from the actions both of the administration and the courts.

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 Post subject: Re: Rely on the SCOTUS
PostPosted: 08 Jan 2013 22:05 
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Hobby Lobby is apparently going to risk the huge fines of more than a million dollars a day. These people are courageous. I'm impressed.

"The company will continue to provide health insurance to all qualified employees. To remain true to their faith, it is not their intention, as a company, to pay for abortion-inducing drugs.” — Kyle Duncan, General Counsel, The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/12/28/hobb ... -in-fines/


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Hobby Lobby Fights The Good Fight Against Obamacare Tyranny

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Green continued, “The government is forcing us to choose between following our faith and following the law.” He vows to live his Christian convictions “come what may.” Will Washington smother dissent by bankrupting a thriving business, thus thrusting twenty-some thousand employees into the street? It’s up to the Department of Health and Human Services where unelected bureaucrats wield far more clout than anyone contemplated at Obamacare’s inception.

The White House has not intervened. Despite thousands of Obamacare waivers flowing per political calculus, principled resistance apparently warrants little respite. Hobby Lobby must bend to bureaucratic whim or the company may be compelled to pony over steep penalties.

Christians are often pilloried for imposing private morality on the public. Yet, this fiasco reveals the absurdity of the so-called “war on women.” Mr. Green seeks neither to outlaw contraception nor to prevent his workers from using birth control. Hobby Lobby’s health plans already cover contraceptives. Moreover, the “preventive medicine” in question remains widely, and cheaply, accessible elsewhere.

What pills employers furnish ought to be settled privately between management and labor. Instead, the public, or more precisely President Obama’s henchmen, foist mandated immorality on private businesses. “Hobby Lobby is a for-profit, secular employer,” chastises the administration “and a secular entity by definition does not exercise religion.” Thus has the Christian walk been narrowed via royal decree.

Submit or pay.

This isn’t about abortion; that’s another argument. Mr. Green merely wishes Washington wouldn’t corner him into defying his faith. But the Obama regime thinks recalcitrant businesses should be taxed into oblivion; an inverted tithe coercing the faithful into funding others’ infidelity. Perhaps this fulfills Obama’s campaign pledge to “punish our enemies.”

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 Post subject: Re: Rely on the SCOTUS
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Another update for any interested. Apparently Hobby Lobby is using the law to assist in keeping the Executive branch at bay while opposing the law within the Judiciary branch. The potential damage that may have been wrought when Justice Sotomayor of the Judiciary branch left Hobby Lobby to fend for itself against the Executive branch has been delayed for now.

Hobby Lobby Delays Obamacare Fines for Now; Avoids $18.2 Million Penalty

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Craft chain Hobby Lobby said it has found a way to delay compliance with the Obamacare mandate, which requires companies to cover contraception in their employees' health care. Pastor Rick Warren has warned that religious freedom, at the heart of the company's battle, might become this decade's civil rights movement.

The evangelical Christian-owned company plans to shift the beginning of its employee health plan to temporarily avoid $1.3 million a day in fines for each day since Jan. 1 that it did not comply with the Affordable Care Act. Without the delay, the fine would now have totaled $18.2 million.

"Hobby Lobby discovered a way to shift the plan year for its employee health insurance, thus postponing the effective date of the mandate for several months," Peter M. Dobelbower, company's general counsel, said in a statement.

Dobelbower added that Hobby Lobby "does not provide coverage for abortion-inducing drugs in its healthcare plan," alluding to "morning-after" and "week-after" pills. The company will continue to "vigorously defend its religious liberty and oppose the mandate and any penalties."

On Dec. 26, Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor denied the company's emergency request to block enforcement of the Health and Human Services "preventive services" mandate, which forces the company to go against their religious beliefs and cover contraception, sterilization and abortifacients in employees' health care.

However, the day after the company's plea for an emergency injunction was rejected, Kyle Duncan, general counsel for the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, which is legally representing Hobby Lobby, said the retail chain will continue their appeal.

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