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PostPosted: 08 Apr 2005 09:59 
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I found an orthodox russian patriarch is the list of catholic saints, he is Hermogenes of Moscou and lived in the 7th century.
This is quite interesting cause it shows that there is salvation outside the visible church.


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Luis,

The "official" date of the split between the two Churches is A.D. 1054. We were one Church till then. Saints before that time are of the one Church before the split.

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luis saenz wrote:
I found an orthodox russian patriarch is the list of catholic saints, he is Hermogenes of Moscou and lived in the 7th century.
This is quite interesting cause it shows that there is salvation outside the visible church.


Luis,

Saint Hermogenes, whose feast is celebrated on April 19, and of whom I expect you are speaking, was an Armenian and was martryed in the 4th century.

Saint Hermogenes of Moscow, whose feast is celebrated on February 17 by the Russian Orthodox Church, was Patriarch of Moscow in the 17th century. The Russian people were not converted to Christianity until the 10th century, so there was no Patriarch of Moscow in the 7th century - in fact, Metropolitan Job wasn't enthroned as first Patriarch of Moscow until 1589.

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Well look at the eastern list of saints, too may of them are orthodox, for example, Mor Ephrem the Syrian, he is an orthodox, but at the time there was no splits as we have right now, and also you should note that catholics churches all have the same saints, orthodox churches do not, you might find a saint in the coptic or syriac church that is not found in the greek orthodox one. So do not be surpirsed, that is one of the things that make me closer to my catholics faith, that we honour other people. Not that other churches do not, but we do it more often .



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I was reffering to Saint Hermogenes of Moscou from the 17th century.


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