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PostPosted: 13 Nov 2012 23:56 
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There seems to be a lot of resources to help women experiencing difficutly conceiving. What about resources for men?

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PostPosted: 14 Nov 2012 17:02 
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Daisy,

How, in a morally acceptable way, does one ascertain male infertility or its cause?

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PostPosted: 14 Nov 2012 18:48 
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How, in a morally acceptable way, does one ascertain male infertility or its cause?

Physical male prophylactic with holes in it. Captures sufficient material to perform tests without thwarting the procreative good.

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Daisy wrote:
There seems to be a lot of resources to help women experiencing difficutly conceiving. What about resources for men?

Are you asking specifically about support for infertility caused by the man's infecundity or support for men who are in a marriage where they are having difficulty conceiving a child for whatever reason?

I am aware of none of either. I would be interested in knowing about such resources.

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PostPosted: 14 Nov 2012 21:44 
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How, in a morally acceptable way, does one ascertain male infertility or its cause?


In this case the patient has a blockage. If the blockage is removed the tubes will be damaged rendering the patient sterile.

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Are you asking specifically about support for infertility caused by the man's infecundity or support for men who are in a marriage where they are having difficulty conceiving a child for whatever reason?


I need to find a prolife doctor that can offer more than suggestions for immoral surgery to achieve pregnancy.

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Are you asking specifically about support for infertility caused by the man's infecundity or support for men who are in a marriage where they are having difficulty conceiving a child for whatever reason?


I need to find a prolife doctor that can offer more than suggestions for immoral surgery to achieve pregnancy.

Hm. For male issues? Interesting.

I will see if I can contact my wife's pro-life obgyn and ask him if he can suggest anything.

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Hm. For male issues? Interesting.


I know...everything is geared towards women!



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I will see if I can contact my wife's pro-life obgyn and ask him if he can suggest anything.


Thanks.

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How, in a morally acceptable way, does one ascertain male infertility or its cause?


In this case the patient has a blockage. If the blockage is removed the tubes will be damaged rendering the patient sterile.


Daisy,

It seems you are assuming that, just because the operation to remove the blockage will cause sterility, the operation is immoral. This isn't necessarily the case. Is the blockage causing the man to suffer? Given the area where the blockage is, I imagine that the pain must be pretty bad.

If you are looking for a different procedure to both remove the blockage and preserve him from sterility so that he may procreate, that's very laudable. But if you are worried about whether it is immoral to operate for therapeutic reasons where sterility will result, I would speak with a priest to alleviate that worry. The principle of double effect would seem to apply here.

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PostPosted: 15 Nov 2012 21:35 
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If you are looking for a different procedure to both remove the blockage and preserve him from sterility so that he may procreate, that's very laudable


That is what I am looking for. If this couple had several children then it wouldn't be so heartbreaking but they are only married a year and were looking forward to starting their family.

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If you are looking for a different procedure to both remove the blockage and preserve him from sterility so that he may procreate, that's very laudable


That is what I am looking for. If this couple had several children then it wouldn't be so heartbreaking but they are only married a year and were looking forward to starting their family.


You might try http://www.Elizabethministry.com

Elizabeth Ministry International provides assistance to infertile couples, a quick glance at the main page leads me to believe it is more oriented to women, but I did not really dig into the web site.

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Daisy,

You might ask the National Catholic Bioethics Center for references. Their contact page is here.

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Dean,

I bookmarked that page, very interesting and glad there is something like that.. .could have used it once when making a tough choice about care for my brother and chose not to treat something. He lived anyways and later a priest who was a bioethicist at a local hospital told me I did not act immorally even though the refusal of treatment was expected to lead to his death.

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